2 ms·
>is QWEN a 4d chess game to replace capitalism with communism? No. The Chinese labs pay much less to train their models because they are distilling Western mod
by hollerith 8d ago
>is QWEN a 4d chess game to replace capitalism with communism?
No. The Chinese labs pay much less to train their models because they are distilling Western models. Western labs can't do it that way because they'd immediately be sued.
They release model weights under permissive licenses to get any attention and usage share at all.
- jacquesm 8d ago> The Chinese labs pay much less to train their models because they distill Western models. That's nonsense.
- hollerith 8d agoI'm going to take your comment as a request for supporting details. I believe what I wrote is an accurate summary of information in a report published this month by Anthropic. I haven't seen the report, but have seen this next summary written by someone who I trust to summarize accurately: https://thezvi.substack.com/p/the-bad-guy-with-an-ai-named-claude?open=false#%C2%A7illicit-fraudulent-distillation https://thezvi.substack.com/p/the-bad-guy-with-an-ai-named-c... OpenAI reported similar behavior last year. The assertion that the other (two) leading US models are being distilled in a similar manner is an assumption on my part. Where I wrote, "Claude or another leading US model" I initially had just "Claude", but it felt silly to imply that the same thing is not happening to the other leading US models.