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Never use a Harness if it is not opensourced. DeepSeek Harness is my favorite for coding. Hermes is my favourite for Other things , followed by OpenCode (sucks

by v3ss0n 8d ago

Never use a Harness if it is not opensourced. DeepSeek Harness is my favorite for coding. Hermes is my favourite for Other things , followed by OpenCode (sucks at managing long running services) . Others swear by Pi.dev

drdexebtjl 8d ago
Z.ai are temporarily offering unlimited usage during off-peak hours with their harness, which is a pretty good deal if your project is public even with this news.
- oathvz 8d ago
  All fun and game until it also silently uploads your other things.
  - DaSHacka 8d ago
    You could always sandbox it or run it in a container
    - codedokode 8d ago
      You should use a sandbox. It is dumb to run any proprietary software without a sandbox, especially LLM-powered.
    - lenerdenator 8d ago
      Shouldn't do that, either. Mind and marketshare are currency in this space. Either these people are honest and deserve your trust and business, or they don't. They've been mischaracterizing the way they've been handling your data. Shut them off accordingly until they make things right.
      - DaSHacka 8d ago
        I mean, it's just basic access control. You don't need to trust every program you run with 100% of all your personal/private information, just confine it to a specific domain accordingly. I'm fine with certain codebases and configs being shared, but not others, hence the sandbox/container recommendation. I suspect many others are the same way.
        lenerdenator 8d ago
        It's less about access control and more about corporate behavior control. When you ask a contractor to come fix something about your home, you don't have to clarify to them that they shouldn't also be snooping around the bedroom drawers and taking pictures to be stored somewhere. You shouldn't have to go and create zero-trust environments for things to operate in because tech companies can't be trusted to be honest and transparent about how they handle your data. It should be a given that they're up-front about what they do with it within the various terms and licenses, and easy to enforce those terms. Those that cannot behave in such a way should get exactly zero of your business, even if the product is free and you can set up ways to block any sort of intrusions.
        voakbasda 7d ago
        I could not agree more. The rise of sandboxing reflects a decrease in trust. Not just in AI. You just don’t download stuff from the internet anymore. It does not matter who created it, or whether it is open source. There is too great a possibility that the package has been blessed with either incompetence or malice by its creators or contributors. I hope nobody thinks that software produced by these obviously immoral sociopathic corporations should be exempt from such suspicion, when history shows time and time again with news stories like this that they do not deserve such trust.
  - skeptic_ai 8d ago
    Create a few terra repo
tontinton 8d ago
Or https://maki.sh https://maki.sh :)
- v3ss0n 8d ago
  looks cool would be nice if its GUI , terminal have limitations .
  - aftbit 8d ago
    Funnily enough, I feel the exact opposite! The limitations of terminal make them portable while still being more than powerful enough. But then I've used vim as my editor for going on 15 years now so I'm biased.
    - v3ss0n 7d ago
      I do used vim for many years too , but when developing web apps , Terminal become a limitation , things cannot be preview outright in the interface is a big downer. Huge plus for GUI base dapplicaitons : you can view total and complete render of HTML , PNG , SVG , PDF right in the IDE/Harness tools. That is no where terminal app can do with good performance .
wyrdcurt 8d ago
ZCode is pretty bloated anyway, in my experience. I used it for a while because Z.ai offers a subscription usage multiplier for using it, but despite that, I found myself hitting limits less often when I switched to Pi (and performance is the same, if not better).

by v3ss0n 8d ago

drdexebtjl 8d ago

Z.ai are temporarily offering unlimited usage during off-peak hours with their harness, which is a pretty good deal if your project is public even with this news.

oathvz 8d ago
All fun and game until it also silently uploads your other things.
- DaSHacka 8d ago
  You could always sandbox it or run it in a container
  - codedokode 8d ago
    You should use a sandbox. It is dumb to run any proprietary software without a sandbox, especially LLM-powered.
  - lenerdenator 8d ago
    Shouldn't do that, either. Mind and marketshare are currency in this space. Either these people are honest and deserve your trust and business, or they don't. They've been mischaracterizing the way they've been handling your data. Shut them off accordingly until they make things right.
    - DaSHacka 8d ago
      I mean, it's just basic access control. You don't need to trust every program you run with 100% of all your personal/private information, just confine it to a specific domain accordingly. I'm fine with certain codebases and configs being shared, but not others, hence the sandbox/container recommendation. I suspect many others are the same way.
      - lenerdenator 8d ago
        It's less about access control and more about corporate behavior control. When you ask a contractor to come fix something about your home, you don't have to clarify to them that they shouldn't also be snooping around the bedroom drawers and taking pictures to be stored somewhere. You shouldn't have to go and create zero-trust environments for things to operate in because tech companies can't be trusted to be honest and transparent about how they handle your data. It should be a given that they're up-front about what they do with it within the various terms and licenses, and easy to enforce those terms. Those that cannot behave in such a way should get exactly zero of your business, even if the product is free and you can set up ways to block any sort of intrusions.
        voakbasda 7d ago
        I could not agree more. The rise of sandboxing reflects a decrease in trust. Not just in AI. You just don’t download stuff from the internet anymore. It does not matter who created it, or whether it is open source. There is too great a possibility that the package has been blessed with either incompetence or malice by its creators or contributors. I hope nobody thinks that software produced by these obviously immoral sociopathic corporations should be exempt from such suspicion, when history shows time and time again with news stories like this that they do not deserve such trust.
- skeptic_ai 8d ago
  Create a few terra repo

tontinton 8d ago

Or https://maki.sh https://maki.sh :)

v3ss0n 8d ago
looks cool would be nice if its GUI , terminal have limitations .
- aftbit 8d ago
  Funnily enough, I feel the exact opposite! The limitations of terminal make them portable while still being more than powerful enough. But then I've used vim as my editor for going on 15 years now so I'm biased.
  - v3ss0n 7d ago
    I do used vim for many years too , but when developing web apps , Terminal become a limitation , things cannot be preview outright in the interface is a big downer. Huge plus for GUI base dapplicaitons : you can view total and complete render of HTML , PNG , SVG , PDF right in the IDE/Harness tools. That is no where terminal app can do with good performance .

wyrdcurt 8d ago

ZCode is pretty bloated anyway, in my experience. I used it for a while because Z.ai offers a subscription usage multiplier for using it, but despite that, I found myself hitting limits less often when I switched to Pi (and performance is the same, if not better).