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Copying means we can both share in the knowledge, surely everyone on HN wants that right? Share the open source code for the good of everyone? Hackers used to

Copying means we can both share in the knowledge, surely everyone on HN wants that right? Share the open source code for the good of everyone? Hackers used to say "information yearns to be free" now they're saying "that's my information and I don't want you using it" Probably indicative of America's wider downfall that they've all become so self interested

sneak 16d ago
Hackers are irrationally anti-corporation. This is where the nonsensical AGPL came from, too.
- noosphr 16d ago
  The AGPL didn't go far enough because it didn't limit freedom 0 to natural born humans. In the 00s/10s it was corporations. Today it's AI. If it has no soul to save and no body to torture it deserves no rights.
  - hardbass 16d ago
    Show me where this "soul" is. Never seen one yet.
    - card_zero 16d ago
      I don't believe in souls. But I believe in metaphorical souls, and an LLM ain't got one.
      - hardbass 16d ago
        Whats a metaphorical soul?
        card_zero 16d ago
        Mostly personality I think. Individuality, opinions, purpose, things like that. Morality, except they have a kind of ankle-deep phony morality beaten into them but it's not like they're idealists with visions they strive toward. (Heading out right now to buy a CD player, so AFK for a bit, excuse me.)
        hardbass 15d ago
        >they have a kind of ankle-deep phony morality beaten into them but it's not like they're idealists with visions That's most humans.
  - sneak 16d ago
    Corporations cannot act. All corporation actions are performed by natural born humans. All corporations are ultimately owned by natural born humans. All corporation actions serve to benefit natural born humans. All corporations are created and destroyed by natural born humans. This idea that corporate personhood is some perverse idea is silly. Corporations are just people acting in groups for economic benefit. Everything they do is done by members of those groups (or people they hire). Similarly, AI is an inanimate tool, like a keyboard. No comment is posted by “bots” - comments are posted by humans running software.
    - noosphr 16d ago
      The law disagrees.
      - sneak 14d ago
        Which law, and how does it disagree?
m4rtink 16d ago
I want to share the open source code for the good of everyone - which is why I put it under the GPL, for this right of everyone to share it to be protected. Therefore, any AI model that ingested GPL code should logically also have all its output GPL licensed. Not problem with that.
bluefirebrand 16d ago
> Hackers used to say "information yearns to be free" now they're saying "that's my information and I don't want you using it" If you can't tell the difference between "I want to share all information freely with my fellow mankind" and "I want to share all information freely, even to billion dollar corporations that are making the human-replacer machines that threaten my fellow mankind" I really just don't know what to tell you

sneak 16d ago

Hackers are irrationally anti-corporation. This is where the nonsensical AGPL came from, too.

noosphr 16d ago
The AGPL didn't go far enough because it didn't limit freedom 0 to natural born humans. In the 00s/10s it was corporations. Today it's AI. If it has no soul to save and no body to torture it deserves no rights.
- hardbass 16d ago
  Show me where this "soul" is. Never seen one yet.
  - card_zero 16d ago
    I don't believe in souls. But I believe in metaphorical souls, and an LLM ain't got one.
    - hardbass 16d ago
      Whats a metaphorical soul?
      - card_zero 16d ago
        Mostly personality I think. Individuality, opinions, purpose, things like that. Morality, except they have a kind of ankle-deep phony morality beaten into them but it's not like they're idealists with visions they strive toward. (Heading out right now to buy a CD player, so AFK for a bit, excuse me.)
        hardbass 15d ago
        >they have a kind of ankle-deep phony morality beaten into them but it's not like they're idealists with visions That's most humans.
- sneak 16d ago
  Corporations cannot act. All corporation actions are performed by natural born humans. All corporations are ultimately owned by natural born humans. All corporation actions serve to benefit natural born humans. All corporations are created and destroyed by natural born humans. This idea that corporate personhood is some perverse idea is silly. Corporations are just people acting in groups for economic benefit. Everything they do is done by members of those groups (or people they hire). Similarly, AI is an inanimate tool, like a keyboard. No comment is posted by “bots” - comments are posted by humans running software.
  - noosphr 16d ago
    The law disagrees.
    - sneak 14d ago
      Which law, and how does it disagree?

m4rtink 16d ago

I want to share the open source code for the good of everyone - which is why I put it under the GPL, for this right of everyone to share it to be protected. Therefore, any AI model that ingested GPL code should logically also have all its output GPL licensed. Not problem with that.

bluefirebrand 16d ago

> Hackers used to say "information yearns to be free" now they're saying "that's my information and I don't want you using it" If you can't tell the difference between "I want to share all information freely with my fellow mankind" and "I want to share all information freely, even to billion dollar corporations that are making the human-replacer machines that threaten my fellow mankind" I really just don't know what to tell you