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> Millions of citizens cant afford to rent You know that Singapore has one of the highest home ownership rates in the world? Most people don't rent, because t

by eru 17d ago

> Millions of citizens cant afford to rent You know that Singapore has one of the highest home ownership rates in the world? Most people don't rent, because their family owns the place. > and travel by the thousands to nearby Malaysia to buy basic food essentials. You say that like it's a bad thing? People traveling to Malaysia to buy stuff that's cheaper is perfectly compatible with Singaporeans being well-off. You'd need to bring some other evidence to argue that Singapore is a 'failed society'.

well_ackshually 16d ago
A non self sufficient society, where anyone but the richest have to rely on another country for food is a failed society.
- eru 16d ago
  Approximately no city is self-sufficient in terms of food. Singapore is no exception. Does that mean all cities are failed societies? Or do you think national borders are special?
  - MiroslavPokorny 15d ago
    I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. We all live significantly longer, but at the same time we all are forced to give our precious time to the city and its ills, with commuting and traffic a simple example. I hope I am fair in saying you probably consider Tokyo to be a success, and yet if you actually look how Tokyo residents live its actually a depressing place. Everybody rushes to school, work, unis and so on every day and come home tired. Rinse and repeat for the vast majority of days in a year. Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. You will find videos filled with people rushing to their duties not out of choice but because the system forces them too. Very few scenes will have someone walking their dog, or riding a bike. I think its sad how few Japanese are able to have a day off, even the elderly work into their 80s and longer. Thats a failure, too few people able to have a day off, thousands crossing roads, catching trains but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time.
    - eru 15d ago
      > I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. People are usually not exactly forced at gunpoint to move to a big city. In fact, big cities usually get a lot of net-immigration. > Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. I've been to Tokyo. It's ok. But then, I'm one of those weirdos who likes city living, and lived in London, Ankara, Sydney, Singapore etc. > [...] but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time. How do you know that?
  - well_ackshually 15d ago
    Singapore isn't a city, it's a state. That happens to be the size of a city. You wouldn't say that New York is a failed state, because it doesn't make sense, and because the rest of the united states is able to feed it.
MiroslavPokorny 16d ago
> You know that Singapore has one of the highest home ownership rates in the world? Most people don't rent, because their family owns the place. Exactly and one day the new generation will want their home and space. Given the size of their apartments how many generations can you fit in ONE place ? > > and travel by the thousands to nearby Malaysia to buy basic food essentials. > You say that like it's a bad thing? People traveling to Malaysia to buy stuff that's cheaper is perfectly compatible with Singaporeans being well-off. You'd need to bring some other evidence to argue that Singapore is a 'failed society'. There are only so many hours in a week, and after the long hours that only leaves the weekend. Maybe its me, but i would rather enjoy my weekend at the beach or something than hours commuting, lines, crowds just to buy my groceries.
- eru 15d ago
  > Exactly and one day the new generation will want their home and space. Given the size of their apartments how many generations can you fit in ONE place ? We keep building more residential space. And while the population is growing, thanks to immigration, it's not exactly booming. I'd say, people could use more space, sure. But it's not a crisis, and if anything, it's getting better. > There are only so many hours in a week, and after the long hours that only leaves the weekend. Maybe its me, but i would rather enjoy my weekend at the beach or something than hours commuting, lines, crowds just to buy my groceries. And you can do that just fine, too. Some people like shopping. I guess you've never been to Singapore?

by eru 17d ago

well_ackshually 16d ago

A non self sufficient society, where anyone but the richest have to rely on another country for food is a failed society.

eru 16d ago
Approximately no city is self-sufficient in terms of food. Singapore is no exception. Does that mean all cities are failed societies? Or do you think national borders are special?
- MiroslavPokorny 15d ago
  I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. We all live significantly longer, but at the same time we all are forced to give our precious time to the city and its ills, with commuting and traffic a simple example. I hope I am fair in saying you probably consider Tokyo to be a success, and yet if you actually look how Tokyo residents live its actually a depressing place. Everybody rushes to school, work, unis and so on every day and come home tired. Rinse and repeat for the vast majority of days in a year. Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. You will find videos filled with people rushing to their duties not out of choice but because the system forces them too. Very few scenes will have someone walking their dog, or riding a bike. I think its sad how few Japanese are able to have a day off, even the elderly work into their 80s and longer. Thats a failure, too few people able to have a day off, thousands crossing roads, catching trains but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time.
  - eru 15d ago
    > I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. People are usually not exactly forced at gunpoint to move to a big city. In fact, big cities usually get a lot of net-immigration. > Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. I've been to Tokyo. It's ok. But then, I'm one of those weirdos who likes city living, and lived in London, Ankara, Sydney, Singapore etc. > [...] but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time. How do you know that?
- well_ackshually 15d ago
  Singapore isn't a city, it's a state. That happens to be the size of a city. You wouldn't say that New York is a failed state, because it doesn't make sense, and because the rest of the united states is able to feed it.

MiroslavPokorny 16d ago

> You know that Singapore has one of the highest home ownership rates in the world? Most people don't rent, because their family owns the place. Exactly and one day the new generation will want their home and space. Given the size of their apartments how many generations can you fit in ONE place ? > > and travel by the thousands to nearby Malaysia to buy basic food essentials. > You say that like it's a bad thing? People traveling to Malaysia to buy stuff that's cheaper is perfectly compatible with Singaporeans being well-off. You'd need to bring some other evidence to argue that Singapore is a 'failed society'. There are only so many hours in a week, and after the long hours that only leaves the weekend. Maybe its me, but i would rather enjoy my weekend at the beach or something than hours commuting, lines, crowds just to buy my groceries.

eru 15d ago
> Exactly and one day the new generation will want their home and space. Given the size of their apartments how many generations can you fit in ONE place ? We keep building more residential space. And while the population is growing, thanks to immigration, it's not exactly booming. I'd say, people could use more space, sure. But it's not a crisis, and if anything, it's getting better. > There are only so many hours in a week, and after the long hours that only leaves the weekend. Maybe its me, but i would rather enjoy my weekend at the beach or something than hours commuting, lines, crowds just to buy my groceries. And you can do that just fine, too. Some people like shopping. I guess you've never been to Singapore?