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Using a to-do list app as the first example to advertise a new app framework is absolutely wild in Q3 2026.

by pietz 17d ago

hackyhacky 17d ago
Is it more fashionable to build an AI harness?
- taude 17d ago
  We should go back to petstore examples.
- brazukadev 17d ago
  A blog in 15 minutes would be great.
  - hackyhacky 17d ago
    That's fine, but a blog doesn't seem technically more demanding or interesting than a to-do list
    - taude 17d ago
      wasn't the original ruby on rails demonstrating how to create a blog? I think it was a call back to that 2004 era....
brazukadev 17d ago
Specially one looking so bad.
keyle 17d ago
They didn't even show a prompt box with starry icon button!
stackghost 17d ago
Why?
- pietz 17d ago
  Because it's literally the least impressive thing you can build and in a world where I don't write the code anyway, a "hello world" example has lost its place (at least for human viewers).
  - jasonlotito 17d ago
    It demonstrates CRUD at a small scale and is familiar, so we don't need to figure out what it's trying to demonstrate. It allows us to see how large the final product is and how much memory and CPU it uses. It's not meant to be a showcase of what you can build with it; it's meant to give you the smallest complete application so you can get a good idea of what you need to know. The thing that's meant to be a showcase is usually referred to as a Showcase or a Gallery.
LoganDark 17d ago
It's one of the standard benchmarks for web frameworks. No clue why it's being done here.
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quietbritishjim 17d ago
I genuinely have no idea what this comment is about. Why is a to do list a bad example? It's common precisely because it's ideal: it shows a few different basic widgets, and it shows how to update state in a way that keeps them in sync. Is it because it's clichéd? That doesn't matter so long as it gets the point across. Is it because you object to having desktop applications that do a simple task like this? I remember when simple single-purpose desktop apps were common e.g. Card File in Windows 3.1. Also this is meant to be an example for both desktop and mobile. Are only SPA web pages allowed to do things like this now? What a depressing world if so. Or is your comment satire? I honestly can't tell. Edit: What would you allow as a first example of a new UI toolkit. (Not that Flet is new, it's had plenty of 0.x releases.)
- pietz 17d ago
  I don't think there is demand for this framework in the first place. - Cross platform frameworks are starting to become an anti pattern these days - Hello world examples are losing relevance when I'm not the one writing code - A To Do list is just the absolute least impressive thing you can showcase From a marketing perspective, I want to showcase something that other frameworks cannot do and "this only took 10 lines of Python code" is a very weak sales pitch in 2026.
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  - quietbritishjim 17d ago
    OK, I think your main objection is really that you don't like the idea of a cross platform UI toolkit. I don't share that view, but fair enough. But your first comment, complaining about a to-do list example, is a very confusing way of expressing that. And you think the front page shouldn't show a basic example because you just vibe code everything anyway. That is a very odd objection - it would be very concerning if a code library didn't include a basic usage example on its front page. Also, guess what, some of us do actually write (or at least look at!) some of the code in the programs we work on. And even AI benefits from a clean API. And your complaint about a to do list is that it's not "impressive"? It's not meant to be! It's a basic illustration of the API. It's like reading the Rust tutorial and objecting, "ugh, another programming language with for loops".
rk06 16d ago
ehh, it is pretty standard. in fact, todo app is the standard hello world for any GUI framework. it has been standard for js frameworks from before js fatigue started

Using a to-do list app as the first example to advertise a new app framework is absolutely wild in Q3 2026.

by pietz 17d ago

Using a to-do list app as the first example to advertise a new app framework is absolutely wild in Q3 2026.

hackyhacky 17d ago

Is it more fashionable to build an AI harness?

taude 17d ago
We should go back to petstore examples.
brazukadev 17d ago
A blog in 15 minutes would be great.
- hackyhacky 17d ago
  That's fine, but a blog doesn't seem technically more demanding or interesting than a to-do list
  - taude 17d ago
    wasn't the original ruby on rails demonstrating how to create a blog? I think it was a call back to that 2004 era....

brazukadev 17d ago

Specially one looking so bad.

keyle 17d ago

They didn't even show a prompt box with starry icon button!

stackghost 17d ago

Why?

pietz 17d ago
Because it's literally the least impressive thing you can build and in a world where I don't write the code anyway, a "hello world" example has lost its place (at least for human viewers).
- jasonlotito 17d ago
  It demonstrates CRUD at a small scale and is familiar, so we don't need to figure out what it's trying to demonstrate. It allows us to see how large the final product is and how much memory and CPU it uses. It's not meant to be a showcase of what you can build with it; it's meant to give you the smallest complete application so you can get a good idea of what you need to know. The thing that's meant to be a showcase is usually referred to as a Showcase or a Gallery.

LoganDark 17d ago

It's one of the standard benchmarks for web frameworks. No clue why it's being done here.

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quietbritishjim 17d ago

I genuinely have no idea what this comment is about. Why is a to do list a bad example? It's common precisely because it's ideal: it shows a few different basic widgets, and it shows how to update state in a way that keeps them in sync. Is it because it's clichéd? That doesn't matter so long as it gets the point across. Is it because you object to having desktop applications that do a simple task like this? I remember when simple single-purpose desktop apps were common e.g. Card File in Windows 3.1. Also this is meant to be an example for both desktop and mobile. Are only SPA web pages allowed to do things like this now? What a depressing world if so. Or is your comment satire? I honestly can't tell. Edit: What would you allow as a first example of a new UI toolkit. (Not that Flet is new, it's had plenty of 0.x releases.)

pietz 17d ago
I don't think there is demand for this framework in the first place. - Cross platform frameworks are starting to become an anti pattern these days - Hello world examples are losing relevance when I'm not the one writing code - A To Do list is just the absolute least impressive thing you can showcase From a marketing perspective, I want to showcase something that other frameworks cannot do and "this only took 10 lines of Python code" is a very weak sales pitch in 2026.
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- quietbritishjim 17d ago
  OK, I think your main objection is really that you don't like the idea of a cross platform UI toolkit. I don't share that view, but fair enough. But your first comment, complaining about a to-do list example, is a very confusing way of expressing that. And you think the front page shouldn't show a basic example because you just vibe code everything anyway. That is a very odd objection - it would be very concerning if a code library didn't include a basic usage example on its front page. Also, guess what, some of us do actually write (or at least look at!) some of the code in the programs we work on. And even AI benefits from a clean API. And your complaint about a to do list is that it's not "impressive"? It's not meant to be! It's a basic illustration of the API. It's like reading the Rust tutorial and objecting, "ugh, another programming language with for loops".

rk06 16d ago

ehh, it is pretty standard. in fact, todo app is the standard hello world for any GUI framework. it has been standard for js frameworks from before js fatigue started