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Of course kids and young adults resent it: a part of their childhood and formative years sucked ass. But the resentment isn’t towards the handling, it’s toward

Of course kids and young adults resent it: a part of their childhood and formative years sucked ass. But the resentment isn’t towards the handling, it’s towards the reality. It sucks covid happened and it shouldn’t have. But there’s nothing that could have been done to save their youth; it was already ruined for those years. I mean, if the lockdown didn’t happen and instead a few million more people died, would they have preferred that? I doubt it, especially considering such a situation would inevitably result in even stricter restrictions going forward. After all, lockdown was a reaction. If you make the thing it’s reacting to even bigger, even more of a problem, then… well… the reaction will be more extreme.

dofm 9d ago
> But the resentment isn’t towards the handling, Oooooh yes it is. They are so mad at how badly we handled it. And they are right to be. > I mean, if the lockdown didn’t happen That isn't their complaint. Their complaint is not the first one (except that in our case in the UK it was idiotically weeks late and major sporting events happened; the older ones understand how stupid that was). It's the fact that we subsequently undermined it, and then did it again. And again. And again.
- preg_match 8d ago
  I kind of touched on this. Lockdown was a reaction. If it didn’t happen, then the thing it’s reacting to would have been worse, and then lockdown would have been worse.
  - dofm 8d ago
    No, but the point is not that lockdown happened. Kids are not angry that there was a lockdown; they understand the science of it (in many cases better than adults) because it was a pretty rich topic of conversation in their tedious remote lessons. They are angry that we fucked up the first lockdown (rolling it out too late after demonstrably obviously bad decisions like letting major sporting events continue, followed by utterly stupid measures that undermined it after it was lifted). They understand there had to be another winter lockdown; they thought we undermined that by having stupid, arbitrary "zones" when another national lockdown would have been safer. The older ones also IMO pretty correctly feel resentful being stuck individually in their expensive rooms at universities when they are not a high risk population and could at least have been quarantined collectively or just provided distance learning without wasting massive amounts of money on accommodation. Believe me when I say, young people have absolutely got the receipts. They know what happened, why it happened, and who fucked up.
grebc 8d ago
Millions of people die because of covid in Australia? Is that what you’re suggesting the outcome would’ve been if we didn’t lockdown? That’s basically all the elderly or an entire cohort, I’m really struggling to believe that.
- preg_match 8d ago
  Sorry, I’m saying this from a US perspective, where we had 1 million or so covid deaths. We also had lockdowns, but it was state dependent. The point is: if the lockdown didn’t happen, would the outcome be better? Remember, it’s not like Covid would go away. It’s not like we get teleported to an alternate dimension in which everything is okay. Lockdown was a reaction. I think people would like for Covid to have never happened, and they think that if lockdown didn’t happen then it would be just like before Covid. No, it wouldn’t be, it would still be a new world. That much was inevitable.
  - grebc 8d ago
    That the path we took was the only path is where I draw issue. It was a choice to lockdown, I think it was a bad one. Covid killed even with lockdowns & vaccines. Birdflu is apparently ravaging Australian bird populations, just because it hasn't jumped species yet doesn't mean it won't... maybe we should lockdown just in case right? I'm not in a position of power to make the calls as if something like this was to happen again, I'd only caution we look the prior experience to be a guide for what comes instead of pretending outbreaks haven't happened before.
    - queenkjuul 8d ago
      We locked down AFTER people started dying, not before!
    - preg_match 7d ago
      I'm saying that if did not lock down, then there would have been millions more deaths, and then an even more severe lockdown would occur. It's an inevitability, that's just how life and the world works sometimes. Sometimes bad things happen and they're just bad, and there's no way to make them good. Covid was one of those things. Covid was bad, a lot of people died, and that's that. There's no alternate reality in which Covid exists and everything is fine. That's a dream. A nice dream, but a dream.

dofm 9d ago

> But the resentment isn’t towards the handling, Oooooh yes it is. They are so mad at how badly we handled it. And they are right to be. > I mean, if the lockdown didn’t happen That isn't their complaint. Their complaint is not the first one (except that in our case in the UK it was idiotically weeks late and major sporting events happened; the older ones understand how stupid that was). It's the fact that we subsequently undermined it, and then did it again. And again. And again.

preg_match 8d ago
I kind of touched on this. Lockdown was a reaction. If it didn’t happen, then the thing it’s reacting to would have been worse, and then lockdown would have been worse.
- dofm 8d ago
  No, but the point is not that lockdown happened. Kids are not angry that there was a lockdown; they understand the science of it (in many cases better than adults) because it was a pretty rich topic of conversation in their tedious remote lessons. They are angry that we fucked up the first lockdown (rolling it out too late after demonstrably obviously bad decisions like letting major sporting events continue, followed by utterly stupid measures that undermined it after it was lifted). They understand there had to be another winter lockdown; they thought we undermined that by having stupid, arbitrary "zones" when another national lockdown would have been safer. The older ones also IMO pretty correctly feel resentful being stuck individually in their expensive rooms at universities when they are not a high risk population and could at least have been quarantined collectively or just provided distance learning without wasting massive amounts of money on accommodation. Believe me when I say, young people have absolutely got the receipts. They know what happened, why it happened, and who fucked up.

grebc 8d ago

Millions of people die because of covid in Australia? Is that what you’re suggesting the outcome would’ve been if we didn’t lockdown? That’s basically all the elderly or an entire cohort, I’m really struggling to believe that.

preg_match 8d ago
Sorry, I’m saying this from a US perspective, where we had 1 million or so covid deaths. We also had lockdowns, but it was state dependent. The point is: if the lockdown didn’t happen, would the outcome be better? Remember, it’s not like Covid would go away. It’s not like we get teleported to an alternate dimension in which everything is okay. Lockdown was a reaction. I think people would like for Covid to have never happened, and they think that if lockdown didn’t happen then it would be just like before Covid. No, it wouldn’t be, it would still be a new world. That much was inevitable.
- grebc 8d ago
  That the path we took was the only path is where I draw issue. It was a choice to lockdown, I think it was a bad one. Covid killed even with lockdowns & vaccines. Birdflu is apparently ravaging Australian bird populations, just because it hasn't jumped species yet doesn't mean it won't... maybe we should lockdown just in case right? I'm not in a position of power to make the calls as if something like this was to happen again, I'd only caution we look the prior experience to be a guide for what comes instead of pretending outbreaks haven't happened before.
  - queenkjuul 8d ago
    We locked down AFTER people started dying, not before!
  - preg_match 7d ago
    I'm saying that if did not lock down, then there would have been millions more deaths, and then an even more severe lockdown would occur. It's an inevitability, that's just how life and the world works sometimes. Sometimes bad things happen and they're just bad, and there's no way to make them good. Covid was one of those things. Covid was bad, a lot of people died, and that's that. There's no alternate reality in which Covid exists and everything is fine. That's a dream. A nice dream, but a dream.