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Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation. I've on

by pluc 9d ago

Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation. I've only ever seen this site quoted to defend people's brutish behaviour. If we're going to discard centuries of consensus, I say why stop there. If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question?

throawayonthe 8d ago
> If we're going to discard centuries of consensus are we? imo there's just a different form of consensus for async communication, a more apt comparison would perhaps be a snail-mail letter: would you send a letter with "Hello!" and wait for a reply? just include the hello with the rest of the message :P maybe the disconnect people are having with this is whether instant messaging is actually async, or does one draw the line at email?
ryandrake 8d ago
Almost all chat apps provide presence and availability to would-be chatters. They already know if I am available and open to chat.
Kim_Bruning 8d ago
Imagine in the 19th century, you receive a telegram consisting of only HELLO STOP (Didn't you have to pay per message?)
bluefirebrand 8d ago
> Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation Which isn't relevant at all in asynchronous communication methods like messaging. > If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question Phone calls and messaging are different.
yencabulator 8d ago
Phone calls are not the same communication mechanism as instant messaging. Look at the timestamps in the mock screenshots and think about holding the other person on the phone for that long before you say your second line.

by pluc 9d ago

throawayonthe 8d ago

> If we're going to discard centuries of consensus are we? imo there's just a different form of consensus for async communication, a more apt comparison would perhaps be a snail-mail letter: would you send a letter with "Hello!" and wait for a reply? just include the hello with the rest of the message :P maybe the disconnect people are having with this is whether instant messaging is actually async, or does one draw the line at email?

ryandrake 8d ago

Almost all chat apps provide presence and availability to would-be chatters. They already know if I am available and open to chat.

Kim_Bruning 8d ago

Imagine in the 19th century, you receive a telegram consisting of only HELLO STOP (Didn't you have to pay per message?)

bluefirebrand 8d ago

> Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation Which isn't relevant at all in asynchronous communication methods like messaging. > If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question Phone calls and messaging are different.

yencabulator 8d ago

Phone calls are not the same communication mechanism as instant messaging. Look at the timestamps in the mock screenshots and think about holding the other person on the phone for that long before you say your second line.