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Why stop there, you don't need all words smart guy, ahead of time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K-L9uhsBLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K-L9uhsBLM let

by pluc 16d ago

Why stop there, you don't need all words smart guy, ahead of time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K-L9uhsBLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K-L9uhsBLM let's do letters next? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Minnow_Pea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Minnow_Pea)

mr_mitm 16d ago
What? No one says you can't say hello. It just shouldn't be the only thing you say
- pluc 16d ago
  Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation. I've only ever seen this site quoted to defend people's brutish behaviour. If we're going to discard centuries of consensus, I say why stop there. If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question?
  - throawayonthe 16d ago
    > If we're going to discard centuries of consensus are we? imo there's just a different form of consensus for async communication, a more apt comparison would perhaps be a snail-mail letter: would you send a letter with "Hello!" and wait for a reply? just include the hello with the rest of the message :P maybe the disconnect people are having with this is whether instant messaging is actually async, or does one draw the line at email?
  - ryandrake 16d ago
    Almost all chat apps provide presence and availability to would-be chatters. They already know if I am available and open to chat.
  - Kim_Bruning 16d ago
    Imagine in the 19th century, you receive a telegram consisting of only HELLO STOP (Didn't you have to pay per message?)
  - bluefirebrand 16d ago
    > Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation Which isn't relevant at all in asynchronous communication methods like messaging. > If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question Phone calls and messaging are different.
  - yencabulator 16d ago
    Phone calls are not the same communication mechanism as instant messaging. Look at the timestamps in the mock screenshots and think about holding the other person on the phone for that long before you say your second line.

by pluc 16d ago

mr_mitm 16d ago

What? No one says you can't say hello. It just shouldn't be the only thing you say

pluc 16d ago
Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation. I've only ever seen this site quoted to defend people's brutish behaviour. If we're going to discard centuries of consensus, I say why stop there. If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question?
- throawayonthe 16d ago
  > If we're going to discard centuries of consensus are we? imo there's just a different form of consensus for async communication, a more apt comparison would perhaps be a snail-mail letter: would you send a letter with "Hello!" and wait for a reply? just include the hello with the rest of the message :P maybe the disconnect people are having with this is whether instant messaging is actually async, or does one draw the line at email?
- ryandrake 16d ago
  Almost all chat apps provide presence and availability to would-be chatters. They already know if I am available and open to chat.
- Kim_Bruning 16d ago
  Imagine in the 19th century, you receive a telegram consisting of only HELLO STOP (Didn't you have to pay per message?)
- bluefirebrand 16d ago
  > Hello's an established communication protocol that allows the speaker to verify the target is available, listening and ready to initiate a conversation Which isn't relevant at all in asynchronous communication methods like messaging. > If you gotta call someone for support, do you say hello and wait for them to say hello back or do you just unload your question Phone calls and messaging are different.
- yencabulator 16d ago
  Phone calls are not the same communication mechanism as instant messaging. Look at the timestamps in the mock screenshots and think about holding the other person on the phone for that long before you say your second line.