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It is the same. At a certain level, intentions don't matter any more.

mahboi 9d ago
This is what you say when there's been a repeated pattern of negligence. They struck a school once (edit: well one event with multiple strikes). The school was attached to a navy building. There should still be an investigation into the attack.
- albatross79 9d ago
  Magnitude matters just as much. If they struck your child's school im pretty sure you wouldn't care if it was the first or second occurrence.
- cogman10 8d ago
  There was no reason to strike Iran in the first place. The absurd claim that "they were about to get nukes in 3 days!" is something that Israel has been claiming for 20 years. Our own intelligence agencies have said that they were not developing nukes. If this was a military command center, this would still be a war crime. The US was not at war with Iran before it attacked them. Unprovoked aggression is completely wrong.
  - mahboi 8d ago
    I agree that we shouldn't be in this war, but that doesn't make everything a war crime.
    - cogman10 8d ago
      It's a war of aggression. That is a war crime. Iraq was also a war crime. The reason Putin is a war criminal is because of his unprovoked attack of Ukraine.
      - senordevnyc 8d ago
        This was a stupid war to get into and it’s been prosecuted embarrassingly poorly, but Iran has been sponsoring terrorist groups all over the world for decades. They’re not some innocent country going about their business who was suddenly attacked unprovoked.
        cogman10 8d ago
        > but Iran has been sponsoring terrorist groups all over the world for decades. Let's say I grant this. The problem you run into is these terrorist groups have not attacked the US. The last time Iran did anything aggressive towards the US was in the 1980s. In fact, Iran has aided the US in going after common enemies like ISIS/ISIL and Al-Qaeda. The terrorist groups supported by Iran have primarily been groups fighting Israel, not the US. That's what makes it particularly unprovoked. In fact, the US has a stronger argument to attack Saudi Arabia than it does Iran because they actually have funded terrorists that directly attacked the US. Heck, you could argue that the US is justified in directly attacking Russia with this sort of argument.
        mahboi 8d ago
        Last time wasn't 1980s. 2024 was the Iran-Israel war, but US was involved too. Iranian proxies attacked US troops then. Iran itself attacked US forces in 2020 after the US killed general Soleimani, after years of Iran's proxies attacking US troops in Iraq etc. It goes back and forth, and I'm sure the bottom of it was the US being involved in the Mid East for no good reason (the reason was Israel/AIPAC), but this didn't start in 2026. Even the Russian invasion of Ukraine wasn't unprovoked. Yeah Ukraine didn't attack Russia, but they did try to join NATO, then after Germany blocked that, the US was getting involved there in more covert ways. Ukraine overturned pro-Russia Yanukovych's presidential election in '04 which saw meddling from both Russia and US, then he reran and won in '10, then Ukrainian protestors forcibly removed him in '14. I think the least provoked thing was the Iraq War, cause Bush blamed Saddam Hussein for 9/11 and fake WMDs. He was a legit problem ever since invading Iran and Kuwait, but that wasn't the reason for the war.

This is what you say when there's been a repeated pattern of negligence. They struck a school once (edit: well one event with multiple strikes). The school was attached to a navy building. There should still be an investigation into the attack.

albatross79 9d ago
Magnitude matters just as much. If they struck your child's school im pretty sure you wouldn't care if it was the first or second occurrence.
cogman10 8d ago
There was no reason to strike Iran in the first place. The absurd claim that "they were about to get nukes in 3 days!" is something that Israel has been claiming for 20 years. Our own intelligence agencies have said that they were not developing nukes. If this was a military command center, this would still be a war crime. The US was not at war with Iran before it attacked them. Unprovoked aggression is completely wrong.
- mahboi 8d ago
  I agree that we shouldn't be in this war, but that doesn't make everything a war crime.
  - cogman10 8d ago
    It's a war of aggression. That is a war crime. Iraq was also a war crime. The reason Putin is a war criminal is because of his unprovoked attack of Ukraine.
    - senordevnyc 8d ago
      This was a stupid war to get into and it’s been prosecuted embarrassingly poorly, but Iran has been sponsoring terrorist groups all over the world for decades. They’re not some innocent country going about their business who was suddenly attacked unprovoked.
      - cogman10 8d ago
        > but Iran has been sponsoring terrorist groups all over the world for decades. Let's say I grant this. The problem you run into is these terrorist groups have not attacked the US. The last time Iran did anything aggressive towards the US was in the 1980s. In fact, Iran has aided the US in going after common enemies like ISIS/ISIL and Al-Qaeda. The terrorist groups supported by Iran have primarily been groups fighting Israel, not the US. That's what makes it particularly unprovoked. In fact, the US has a stronger argument to attack Saudi Arabia than it does Iran because they actually have funded terrorists that directly attacked the US. Heck, you could argue that the US is justified in directly attacking Russia with this sort of argument.
        mahboi 8d ago
        Last time wasn't 1980s. 2024 was the Iran-Israel war, but US was involved too. Iranian proxies attacked US troops then. Iran itself attacked US forces in 2020 after the US killed general Soleimani, after years of Iran's proxies attacking US troops in Iraq etc. It goes back and forth, and I'm sure the bottom of it was the US being involved in the Mid East for no good reason (the reason was Israel/AIPAC), but this didn't start in 2026. Even the Russian invasion of Ukraine wasn't unprovoked. Yeah Ukraine didn't attack Russia, but they did try to join NATO, then after Germany blocked that, the US was getting involved there in more covert ways. Ukraine overturned pro-Russia Yanukovych's presidential election in '04 which saw meddling from both Russia and US, then he reran and won in '10, then Ukrainian protestors forcibly removed him in '14. I think the least provoked thing was the Iraq War, cause Bush blamed Saddam Hussein for 9/11 and fake WMDs. He was a legit problem ever since invading Iran and Kuwait, but that wasn't the reason for the war.