3 ms·

> Just remind them, public photography is not a crime Photographing at CCC events (Congress and Camp) is permitted only if you get permission from all the peop

> Just remind them, public photography is not a crime Photographing at CCC events (Congress and Camp) is permitted only if you get permission from all the people depicted on the photo. Yes, this makes wide shots of crowds effectively impossible to take there without breaking the event's rules. Everyone present there has agreed to that rule by coming there, so it's not unreasonable to expect them not to break it even if it's not a crime. https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/infos/fundamentals-and-faq.html#photos-videos https://events.ccc.de/congress/2025/infos/fundamentals-and-f...

MomsAVoxell 16d ago
CCC is a private event and does not fall within the purview of the right to public photography. Anyway, I don’t go to CCC to take pictures of people - although this is an unfortunate policy because it means that the culture of CCC is not recorded for posterity … I think it would be a better policy for CCC to require photographers to wear a special easily recognized t-shirt or funny hat, so that they could take pictures of crowds but give non-participants time to dissent.
- 9dev 16d ago
  It’s a breath of fresh air IMHO to be at places far away from any desire for posterity. Just remember yourself what you’ve seen instead of outsourcing that job to your phone for a while.
  - NateEag 15d ago
    For those of us who are aphantasiac, it is not possible to remember what we have seen ourselves. The camera and sketchpad are the only options we have.
    - 9dev 15d ago
      And while I have the utmost of empathy for your condition, that is unfortunately not a compelling reason to generally allow to violate the privacy of everyone else.
- ImPostingOnHN 16d ago
  A good variant of that would be to ask participants to wear an "opt in" signal, so we don't end up in a situation where people are burdened by having to repeatedly decline photographers' requests for photos.
- deleted 16d ago
  [deleted]
lynx97 16d ago
The entitlement of "I can photograph whatever I want"-people is unmatched, which is nicely demonstrated by this thread. Disrespectful, entitled and self-scentered.... individuals.
- MomsAVoxell 16d ago
  There is a fine line, I agree - but I prefer to ask for forgiveness than permission when taking photo’s in public. A society which censors the public sphere, endangers the public. It’s a double-edged sword, and photography - like many technologies - can be weaponized against the individual; but it can also be used to gain justice against the crimes of the state. The disrespect, entitlement and self-centered posturing goes both ways though, though. “No, sorry, I wasn’t taking a picture of you, I was taking a picture of that cute dog - you just happened to be in the background, and I wouldn’t have anything to do with you if you weren’t so paranoid and self-centered…” Public photography is a right which needs to be protected - by the public. Just ask Rodney King. Or, you know, the children of Gaza. If you don’t know what either of those have to do with this discussion, you probably haven’t seen the photos…
  - atoav 16d ago
    You have no respect for the culture of the place and people you're interacting with. "Use public data, protect private data" has been one of the main reasons in the CCC since the 80s, at the same time German Law and culture is different when it comes to taking pictures than what you seem used to. Maybe familiarize yourself with it before you break the law and claim everybody else is wrong.
    - MomsAVoxell 16d ago
      Maybe, before you engage in thought-blocking totalitarian-authoritarian’ism, read what I have actually said. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49743649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49743649 I have a great deal of respect for German culture - this is why I live in a DACH state in the first place. CCC is a private event and I absolutely concur that their policies are acceptable in that circumstance. > German Law and culture is different when it comes to taking pictures than what you seem used to No, in fact, I am quite familiar with the law - to the extent that I am prepared to defend my position. One thing I don’t respect, is the German proclivity to repress the public sphere. You will never beat that out of me - I have seen the positive results of public photography deliver justice in plenty of cultures where it was desperately needed. It is perfectly fine for me to take whatever pictures I want in the public sphere - as long as I respect others’ rights and wishes to not be the subject of that photography.

MomsAVoxell 16d ago

CCC is a private event and does not fall within the purview of the right to public photography. Anyway, I don’t go to CCC to take pictures of people - although this is an unfortunate policy because it means that the culture of CCC is not recorded for posterity … I think it would be a better policy for CCC to require photographers to wear a special easily recognized t-shirt or funny hat, so that they could take pictures of crowds but give non-participants time to dissent.

9dev 16d ago
It’s a breath of fresh air IMHO to be at places far away from any desire for posterity. Just remember yourself what you’ve seen instead of outsourcing that job to your phone for a while.
- NateEag 15d ago
  For those of us who are aphantasiac, it is not possible to remember what we have seen ourselves. The camera and sketchpad are the only options we have.
  - 9dev 15d ago
    And while I have the utmost of empathy for your condition, that is unfortunately not a compelling reason to generally allow to violate the privacy of everyone else.
ImPostingOnHN 16d ago
A good variant of that would be to ask participants to wear an "opt in" signal, so we don't end up in a situation where people are burdened by having to repeatedly decline photographers' requests for photos.
deleted 16d ago
[deleted]

lynx97 16d ago

The entitlement of "I can photograph whatever I want"-people is unmatched, which is nicely demonstrated by this thread. Disrespectful, entitled and self-scentered.... individuals.

MomsAVoxell 16d ago
There is a fine line, I agree - but I prefer to ask for forgiveness than permission when taking photo’s in public. A society which censors the public sphere, endangers the public. It’s a double-edged sword, and photography - like many technologies - can be weaponized against the individual; but it can also be used to gain justice against the crimes of the state. The disrespect, entitlement and self-centered posturing goes both ways though, though. “No, sorry, I wasn’t taking a picture of you, I was taking a picture of that cute dog - you just happened to be in the background, and I wouldn’t have anything to do with you if you weren’t so paranoid and self-centered…” Public photography is a right which needs to be protected - by the public. Just ask Rodney King. Or, you know, the children of Gaza. If you don’t know what either of those have to do with this discussion, you probably haven’t seen the photos…
- atoav 16d ago
  You have no respect for the culture of the place and people you're interacting with. "Use public data, protect private data" has been one of the main reasons in the CCC since the 80s, at the same time German Law and culture is different when it comes to taking pictures than what you seem used to. Maybe familiarize yourself with it before you break the law and claim everybody else is wrong.
  - MomsAVoxell 16d ago
    Maybe, before you engage in thought-blocking totalitarian-authoritarian’ism, read what I have actually said. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49743649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49743649 I have a great deal of respect for German culture - this is why I live in a DACH state in the first place. CCC is a private event and I absolutely concur that their policies are acceptable in that circumstance. > German Law and culture is different when it comes to taking pictures than what you seem used to No, in fact, I am quite familiar with the law - to the extent that I am prepared to defend my position. One thing I don’t respect, is the German proclivity to repress the public sphere. You will never beat that out of me - I have seen the positive results of public photography deliver justice in plenty of cultures where it was desperately needed. It is perfectly fine for me to take whatever pictures I want in the public sphere - as long as I respect others’ rights and wishes to not be the subject of that photography.