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I suspect harness and usage modality is a big factor. Personally I disable all "memory" features wherever possible. I don't want the LLM to "get to know me", or

by Retr0id 23d ago

I suspect harness and usage modality is a big factor. Personally I disable all "memory" features wherever possible. I don't want the LLM to "get to know me", or any illusion thereof, which I assume helps with not anthropomorphizing it.

sanderjd 23d ago
I use memory all the time so that I can ask it about things. That doesn't mean it "knows me" any more than my notes documents do, it's just more convenient to search.
- zephen 23d ago
  > That doesn't mean it "knows me" any more than my notes documents do But are you happy handing over your notes documents to mass aggregators of information?
  - sanderjd 23d ago
    In general, yes.
    - zephen 23d ago
      I'd be happy doing it 99.99% of the time myself, but I don't want to form the habit to think it's a good thing to do.
      - sanderjd 22d ago
        Yeah I don't think we disagree that much about this. But I'm not really worried about this particular habit forming risk. I can see where you're coming from though.
zephen 23d ago
I do the same. But frankly, I mostly use (greenfield, non-remembering) LLMs directly to counteract the enshittification of search brought on by attempts to use AI to remember things about me (and especially to sell me things). This works well for me because (a) I'm usually using my desktop, and (b) I'm a touch-typist. I want to say that my search results have gotten back to where they were a decade or more ago by doing this, even though I often have to give a couple of prompts in order to get the LLM to provide me a useful link.
- sanderjd 23d ago
  I guess I'm also pretty skeptical of the "automatically remember things about me" functionality. But I really like being able to say "hey make sure to remember this fact" and being able to ask about those things later.
  - rsfern 23d ago
    For me the convenience of “hey remember this fact” is outweighed by a desire not to get stuck in a search or context bubble. It might be nice to have better UI to control which bits of history get added to the context of a chat, but then just use a coding harness instead of web UI
    - sanderjd 23d ago
      Maybe. But I don't just use it for coding. For instance one thing I use it for is helping me track and evolve my workouts over time. It helps that it can remember the weight and number of reps I did the previous time. I could make an app for this, but it works well to do it purely within chat, with memory, and that's convenient. This is just an example, I use it this way for a number of things. I'm not going to use a coding harness for this kind of trivial use case!

by Retr0id 23d ago

sanderjd 23d ago

I use memory all the time so that I can ask it about things. That doesn't mean it "knows me" any more than my notes documents do, it's just more convenient to search.

zephen 23d ago
> That doesn't mean it "knows me" any more than my notes documents do But are you happy handing over your notes documents to mass aggregators of information?
- sanderjd 23d ago
  In general, yes.
  - zephen 23d ago
    I'd be happy doing it 99.99% of the time myself, but I don't want to form the habit to think it's a good thing to do.
    - sanderjd 22d ago
      Yeah I don't think we disagree that much about this. But I'm not really worried about this particular habit forming risk. I can see where you're coming from though.

zephen 23d ago

I do the same. But frankly, I mostly use (greenfield, non-remembering) LLMs directly to counteract the enshittification of search brought on by attempts to use AI to remember things about me (and especially to sell me things). This works well for me because (a) I'm usually using my desktop, and (b) I'm a touch-typist. I want to say that my search results have gotten back to where they were a decade or more ago by doing this, even though I often have to give a couple of prompts in order to get the LLM to provide me a useful link.

sanderjd 23d ago
I guess I'm also pretty skeptical of the "automatically remember things about me" functionality. But I really like being able to say "hey make sure to remember this fact" and being able to ask about those things later.
- rsfern 23d ago
  For me the convenience of “hey remember this fact” is outweighed by a desire not to get stuck in a search or context bubble. It might be nice to have better UI to control which bits of history get added to the context of a chat, but then just use a coding harness instead of web UI
  - sanderjd 23d ago
    Maybe. But I don't just use it for coding. For instance one thing I use it for is helping me track and evolve my workouts over time. It helps that it can remember the weight and number of reps I did the previous time. I could make an app for this, but it works well to do it purely within chat, with memory, and that's convenient. This is just an example, I use it this way for a number of things. I'm not going to use a coding harness for this kind of trivial use case!