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Man I always love the straw men you guys stand up to fight this. More taxes = socialism, and not nordic socialism, no, actually, communism. Therefore mass dea

Man I always love the straw men you guys stand up to fight this. More taxes = socialism, and not nordic socialism, no, actually, communism. Therefore mass death / genocide. Ok. Sure jan.

philipallstar 9d ago
Nordics are not socialist[0]. Socialism is central planning and control, sometimes created out of mass killings[1] [2], and often creating many deaths just from incompetent central mismanagement[2] [3] or grisly bureacratic rules[4]. [0] https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_Stalin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge [3] https://historyincharts.com/chinese-death-totals-great-leap-forward/ https://historyincharts.com/chinese-death-totals-great-leap-... [4] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34667551 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34667551
- ValueTheory 9d ago
  What does taxing unrealized gains have to do with "central planning and control"?
  - wing-_-nuts 9d ago
    Nothing, hence my point about it being a straw man :^)
  - philipallstar 9d ago
    If you tax unrealised gains, say Elon Musk's SpaceX shares, all that means in practice is the government takes a certain percentage ownership stake in SpaceX every year until he has nothing left to tax, or he sells it to someone else and pays tax on that sum (but who would buy anything if it's going to be taxed away?)
    - wing-_-nuts 8d ago
      What a nonsensical argument. Yes, that's why we're all living in government owned housing, because if you tax something, it inevitably gets taken away, and nobody wants to buy houses, cause the government is just gonna take it away...what?
      - philipallstar 8d ago
        If your wealth is 100% ownership of Tesla, say, and the government imposes a 5% wealth tax, you have to sell 5% each year of your ownership stake (because the lie of all this is it isn't wealth being taxed, it's ownership) and give it to the government. Until you don't own it any more. And if you think "well, it doesn't have to go to the government", who else will take it? Who would buy something that they would have to sell 5% of each year? The government, being the only thing that wouldn't be affected by a wealth tax, would become the de facto buyer.

Man I always love the straw men you guys stand up to fight this. More taxes = socialism, and not nordic socialism, no, actually, communism. Therefore mass death / genocide. Ok. Sure jan.

philipallstar 9d ago

Nordics are not socialist[0]. Socialism is central planning and control, sometimes created out of mass killings[1] [2], and often creating many deaths just from incompetent central mismanagement[2] [3] or grisly bureacratic rules[4]. [0] https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_Stalin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_under_Joseph_... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge [3] https://historyincharts.com/chinese-death-totals-great-leap-forward/ https://historyincharts.com/chinese-death-totals-great-leap-... [4] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34667551 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34667551

ValueTheory 9d ago
What does taxing unrealized gains have to do with "central planning and control"?
- wing-_-nuts 9d ago
  Nothing, hence my point about it being a straw man :^)
- philipallstar 9d ago
  If you tax unrealised gains, say Elon Musk's SpaceX shares, all that means in practice is the government takes a certain percentage ownership stake in SpaceX every year until he has nothing left to tax, or he sells it to someone else and pays tax on that sum (but who would buy anything if it's going to be taxed away?)
  - wing-_-nuts 8d ago
    What a nonsensical argument. Yes, that's why we're all living in government owned housing, because if you tax something, it inevitably gets taken away, and nobody wants to buy houses, cause the government is just gonna take it away...what?
    - philipallstar 8d ago
      If your wealth is 100% ownership of Tesla, say, and the government imposes a 5% wealth tax, you have to sell 5% each year of your ownership stake (because the lie of all this is it isn't wealth being taxed, it's ownership) and give it to the government. Until you don't own it any more. And if you think "well, it doesn't have to go to the government", who else will take it? Who would buy something that they would have to sell 5% of each year? The government, being the only thing that wouldn't be affected by a wealth tax, would become the de facto buyer.