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Can the blue states of USA become associate members too? He has declared that the blue states are the "enemy from within" and may launch the military against us

Can the blue states of USA become associate members too? He has declared that the blue states are the "enemy from within" and may launch the military against us soon. https://www.npr.org/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5557232/hegseth-generals-trump https://www.npr.org/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5557232/hegseth-general...

krapp 9d ago
Unfortunately, the Constitution (Article 1 Section 10) forbids states from entering into alliances and treaties with other countries, or with one another, without the explicit permission of Congress.
- hedora 9d ago
  Yeah, but the federal government is completely ignoring the constitution. Which amendment contains the clause claiming the rest of the contract survives if parts are just unilaterally deleted by one side?
- flowerlad 9d ago
  Law also prevents US military from being deployed against citizens, that isn't stopping Trump. In fact, Trump has asked for the constitution to be set aside, during his campaign. The Posse Comitatus Act makes it a criminal statute that bars anyone from willfully using federal military forces — the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force — "to execute the laws" unless expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress.
petcat 9d ago
There are no blue states that would want to join the EU. The big ones would rather go independent. EU doesn't offer much
- greggoB 9d ago
  Would it be possible to offer anything more substantive? For example: 1) Why would none of the ~20-25 blue states want to join the EU? Why would it be preferable for the big ones to go it alone in an increasingly fractious world? 2) In what way does the EU not offer much? If this is the case, how did they end up with 28 members joining, another 5 or so waiting to do so, and only 1 ever leaving? The point isn't about being pro/negative the EU, it's about providing something thoughtful, as opposed to just throwing out your opinions.
  - petcat 9d ago
    Because the only two blue states that matter, California and New York, would immediately be the richest members of the EU. And the EU is already way too top heavy. Why would those two states allow themselves to be subject to equal voting power of a bunch of Eastern European micronations? Not to mention that neither of those states is going to be interested in allowing free movement and immigration from Europe. It would be a bonanza. It would be a wildly lopsided relationship. The EU would get more from those two states than those two states would ever recoup from the EU.
    - flowerlad 9d ago
      Blue citizens will be able to move freely to EU and live and work there without special visas. Worth it. Also worth it for silicon valley tech companies who will be able to hire the best of EU as well.
      - petcat 9d ago
        That is a microscopic number of people compared to the ones that will not want Europeans freely moving to California or New York. And SV companies have never had any problem hiring the best people in the EU. That brain drain has been happening for decades.
    - greggoB 9d ago
      I'd imagine they'd find it interesting for the same reason that the US finds its membership in NAFTA/USMCA and NATO interesting, despite being significantly larger: market access and strength in numbers. > It would be a wildly lopsided relationship. The EU would get more from those two states than those two states would ever recoup from the EU. I seem to remember very similar arguments doing the rounds circa Brexit. Funny how that turned out. To be clear, I'm not saying that EU membership necessarily is interesting for NY and CA. It clearly wasn't particularly interesting for Canada before now, but here we are.

krapp 9d ago

Unfortunately, the Constitution (Article 1 Section 10) forbids states from entering into alliances and treaties with other countries, or with one another, without the explicit permission of Congress.

hedora 9d ago
Yeah, but the federal government is completely ignoring the constitution. Which amendment contains the clause claiming the rest of the contract survives if parts are just unilaterally deleted by one side?
flowerlad 9d ago
Law also prevents US military from being deployed against citizens, that isn't stopping Trump. In fact, Trump has asked for the constitution to be set aside, during his campaign. The Posse Comitatus Act makes it a criminal statute that bars anyone from willfully using federal military forces — the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force — "to execute the laws" unless expressly authorized by the Constitution or an act of Congress.

petcat 9d ago

There are no blue states that would want to join the EU. The big ones would rather go independent. EU doesn't offer much

greggoB 9d ago
Would it be possible to offer anything more substantive? For example: 1) Why would none of the ~20-25 blue states want to join the EU? Why would it be preferable for the big ones to go it alone in an increasingly fractious world? 2) In what way does the EU not offer much? If this is the case, how did they end up with 28 members joining, another 5 or so waiting to do so, and only 1 ever leaving? The point isn't about being pro/negative the EU, it's about providing something thoughtful, as opposed to just throwing out your opinions.
- petcat 9d ago
  Because the only two blue states that matter, California and New York, would immediately be the richest members of the EU. And the EU is already way too top heavy. Why would those two states allow themselves to be subject to equal voting power of a bunch of Eastern European micronations? Not to mention that neither of those states is going to be interested in allowing free movement and immigration from Europe. It would be a bonanza. It would be a wildly lopsided relationship. The EU would get more from those two states than those two states would ever recoup from the EU.
  - flowerlad 9d ago
    Blue citizens will be able to move freely to EU and live and work there without special visas. Worth it. Also worth it for silicon valley tech companies who will be able to hire the best of EU as well.
    - petcat 9d ago
      That is a microscopic number of people compared to the ones that will not want Europeans freely moving to California or New York. And SV companies have never had any problem hiring the best people in the EU. That brain drain has been happening for decades.
  - greggoB 9d ago
    I'd imagine they'd find it interesting for the same reason that the US finds its membership in NAFTA/USMCA and NATO interesting, despite being significantly larger: market access and strength in numbers. > It would be a wildly lopsided relationship. The EU would get more from those two states than those two states would ever recoup from the EU. I seem to remember very similar arguments doing the rounds circa Brexit. Funny how that turned out. To be clear, I'm not saying that EU membership necessarily is interesting for NY and CA. It clearly wasn't particularly interesting for Canada before now, but here we are.