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Hacker conference: against authoritarian government, with talk about security, privacy, opsec etc. Also: can only buy ticket online with credit card and real n
by 749952599760806 18d ago
Hacker conference: against authoritarian government, with talk about security, privacy, opsec etc.
Also: can only buy ticket online with credit card and real name, no onsite sell available, your name is probably give to conference administrator for checking ticket, he will probably give it to third parties or keep it for "good reasons", etc.
Don't get me wrong, I like the talks, they are very good. It is just a bit funny for me. They can't try harder to be hackers? Or is it like this in germany always?
- drbscl 18d agoThe organisation has to still pay their suppliers, and have to comply with anti money laundering laws
- DaSHacka 18d agoI mean, DEF CON still allows cash at the door with no ID and manages to make it work.
- mitxela 17d agoDo they sell out of tickets within, literally literally, three seconds? Hopefully this move to the bigger venue improves the situation.
- 749952599760806 18d agoI can pay cash at store, cinema, museum and not give my name. Why not at conference too? And it is not only this conference, all of them require it now. Think about it :)
- drbscl 18d agoYeah honestly fair point Though I imagine it’s more about getting upfront payment for tickets to cover suppliers
- pid0x17 18d agoGo to the local smaller CCC conferences, where you can pay with things like GNU Taler or cryptocurrency, and the entry is often free anyway, with a donation being appreciated or buying event merch being a nice alternative to simply donating. I think the hacker spirit is definitely alive & kicking in those smaller CCC events.
- dwedge 18d agoI'd never heard of GNU Taler but the FAQ left me even more confused. > Can I send money to my friends with Taler? Taler supports push and pull payments between wallets (also known as peer-to-peer payments). While the payment appears to be directly between wallets, technically the operation is intermediated by the payment service provider which will typically be legally required to identify the recipient of the funds before allowing the transaction to complete. Also the funds have an expiration date (forced spending). Who is this for? My naive read seems like it has all the downsides of bitcoin and more with none of its upsides
- PhilipRoman 18d agoThe doc won't point it out explicitly and I apologize if my explanation offends anybody, but the intention is basically leftist, state-friendly bitcoin. The authors took a look at the anarchy of real cryptocurrencies and realized they don't actually like anarchy, so instead they want to make something "wholesome" that governments would be willing to go along with (since they can tax it). They are funded by EU and banks in an attempt to claw back some market share from cryptocurrencies which are slowly getting banned.
- ruiseal 18d agoThe politics of C3 is mixture of older anarcho communist hackers and contemporary progressive statists. So against authoritarian government, if it's right-wing, and privacy to protect against surveillance capitalism (rather than from the state). So things like bitcoin are not liked as they're outside of the state and money should be a function of a benevolent left-wing state.
- mitxela 17d agoI'm pretty sure you are making a straw man here. Bitcoin is disliked because it's hyper-capitalist and a huge waste of energy, not because it isn't the state.
- ruiseal 15d agoThose two reasons are also given but the deeper belief is that private or extra statal monies shouldn't exist. Like monero draws the same ire despite it being outside of the crypto trading and financial industry world as well as low energy usage.
- utopiah 18d agoThat's the official position. I'm pretty sure, but of course I'm not suggesting you do so, that if you pay with a prepaid credit card and call yourself Random Person you will have no problem. As I said in another thread you can also just show up and buy ticket cash at the entrance from whomever sells them, but of course you risk not getting a ticket. Depends on your concerns. I'm pretty sure if you have a better solution but such large scale event you can contribute directly.
- aleph_minus_one 18d ago> Hacker conference: against authoritarian government, with talk about security, privacy, opsec etc. > Also: can only buy ticket online with credit card and real name, no onsite sell available, your name is probably give to conference administrator for checking ticket, he will probably give it to third parties or keep it for "good reasons", etc. I am indeed quite certain that many hackers in Germany independently already devised the same thoughts ...
- RandomGerm4n 18d agoIf you're looking for an event where you don't have to use a credit card I can recommend the Gulaschprogrammiernacht in Karlsruhe. It has a similar vibe and is funded entirely by donations and the sale of goulash.
- mitxela 17d agoI believe when you sign in at the door they don't give you any identifier, just a wristband identical to everyone else's. They are trying to prevent ticket scalping, however. I don't expect them to give any data to anyone besides the payment processor, and knowing the CCC, their own system is probably either self-hosted or at a European cloud vendor. Bank transfer is a payment option, so you don't have to use an American card network - when you use a European bank transfer, no data goes to America on purpose (they are presumably still wiretapping it). When I was at CCCamp, there was a power outage that included the network hub, and the network was down for an additional half hour while they tried to find the person with the disk encryption password of the DHCP server.
- n_plus_1_acc 17d agoYou don't need to give them a name, and you can pay with SEPA transfer. You only need an email address, and they delete those after the event.