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Whenever I read the US or Israel wanting to free Iran from it's "horrible regime", remember this incident plus the hospitals targeted during their attack.

bushbaba 17d ago
And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime. War is never pretty or perfect. Winning a war comes with great cost
- Windchaser 17d ago
  > And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime So, that's over, then? We changed the regime and now things are better?
- ndiddy 17d ago
  The purpose of starting a war is to extract concessions from the other side that you were unable to get through diplomacy, not to kill a lot of people because you think they deserve it. So far Iran has not been willing to make any concessions that it wasn't willing to make before the start of the war, and has shown that it can disrupt Gulf oil exports, which it didn't do prior to the US starting the war. Nothing has been achieved besides pointless bloodshed.
  - watwut 17d ago
    Iran was attack as it was making concessions.
- tasuki 17d ago
  > And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. Yes? How is that a reason to kill even more Iranians, especially schoolgirls?
- Frieren 17d ago
  > Winning a war comes with great cost Invading a country and wanting to steal their resources at any cost, a cost as large as needed, is a crime against humanity. The USA is not defending itself, it is just trying to control Irans oil to increase the power of American economic elites. Billionaires want more power, children, women and men die indiscriminately because of that. And, you are totally right. Billionaires does not care that winning a war comes with great cost, because the cost is for USA service men and for all Iranians.
- watwut 17d ago
  You talk about it as if America cared one bit about those citizens. This war just made the regime stronger. If America succeeded, it would change the head, steal oil and keep the regime there to keep control on locals. Like in Venezuela. Maybe committing few atrocities on top of it. But also of course, it would then invade Cuba and Greenland and god knows who.
- hocuspocus 17d ago
  Killing civilians and destroying infrastructure in the name of saving oppressed people; it's quite impressive such low-effort imperialist propaganda still works after Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya.
- CommanderData 17d ago
  Yes nothing says we care about you and your citizens then destroying a little girls school. Really helps enforce the message of love and peace.
- surgical_fire 16d ago
  Eh, as much as I might dislike the government of my country, I think I believe I would hate a lot more the country that decided it was a good idea to blow schoolgirls from my country into minced meat.
mahboi 16d ago
Israel has 0 interest in freeing Iran from its regime, and that's not the point of this war. This thing about which country is more moral is getting tiring. It'd be the same even if only military targets were struck, we're fighting a foreign war for a fake reason, and Israel got us into it.
- jameshilliard 16d ago
  > Israel has 0 interest in freeing Iran from its regime, and that's not the point of this war. Israel for very obvious reasons[0] has plenty of interest in freeing Iran from its regime as well as an interest in weakening the regime. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...
  - mahboi 16d ago
    They want it weakened, that's it. Nobody is putting a replacement in, not even the exiled shah's family. Trump is just barely pretending he wants regime change there while also making dubious WMD claims. More importantly, if Israel wants something, it's not our job.
    - jameshilliard 16d ago
      > They want it weakened, that's it. They certainly want it gone, weakened is the fallback. > Nobody is putting a replacement in, not even the exiled shah's family. What Israel and the US ultimately want is not the same thing as what they will currently put resources behind achieving. > while also making dubious WMD claims What is dubious about the WMD claims? Even the IAEA has said Iran has not been complying with safeguards.[0] It's quite obvious based on their enrichment percentages that they have a nuclear weapons program. > More importantly, if Israel wants something, it's not our job. Both Israel and the US want the regime gone or at least weakened. Sure, US/Israeli interests aren't always fully aligned but they are often similar. The Iranian regime is probably only an existential threat to Israel in the near term but that doesn't mean the regime is not still a threat to US regional interests. The world shouldn't allow terrorist organizations like the IRGC to obtain nukes. [0] https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291 https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291

bushbaba 17d ago

And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime. War is never pretty or perfect. Winning a war comes with great cost

Windchaser 17d ago
> And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. And the continual killing of Iranian citizens having differing political options of the regime So, that's over, then? We changed the regime and now things are better?
ndiddy 17d ago
The purpose of starting a war is to extract concessions from the other side that you were unable to get through diplomacy, not to kill a lot of people because you think they deserve it. So far Iran has not been willing to make any concessions that it wasn't willing to make before the start of the war, and has shown that it can disrupt Gulf oil exports, which it didn't do prior to the US starting the war. Nothing has been achieved besides pointless bloodshed.
- watwut 17d ago
  Iran was attack as it was making concessions.
tasuki 17d ago
> And remember how Iran slaughtered tens of thousands of its own citizens a few weeks prior. Yes? How is that a reason to kill even more Iranians, especially schoolgirls?
Frieren 17d ago
> Winning a war comes with great cost Invading a country and wanting to steal their resources at any cost, a cost as large as needed, is a crime against humanity. The USA is not defending itself, it is just trying to control Irans oil to increase the power of American economic elites. Billionaires want more power, children, women and men die indiscriminately because of that. And, you are totally right. Billionaires does not care that winning a war comes with great cost, because the cost is for USA service men and for all Iranians.
watwut 17d ago
You talk about it as if America cared one bit about those citizens. This war just made the regime stronger. If America succeeded, it would change the head, steal oil and keep the regime there to keep control on locals. Like in Venezuela. Maybe committing few atrocities on top of it. But also of course, it would then invade Cuba and Greenland and god knows who.
hocuspocus 17d ago
Killing civilians and destroying infrastructure in the name of saving oppressed people; it's quite impressive such low-effort imperialist propaganda still works after Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya.
CommanderData 17d ago
Yes nothing says we care about you and your citizens then destroying a little girls school. Really helps enforce the message of love and peace.
surgical_fire 16d ago
Eh, as much as I might dislike the government of my country, I think I believe I would hate a lot more the country that decided it was a good idea to blow schoolgirls from my country into minced meat.

mahboi 16d ago

Israel has 0 interest in freeing Iran from its regime, and that's not the point of this war. This thing about which country is more moral is getting tiring. It'd be the same even if only military targets were struck, we're fighting a foreign war for a fake reason, and Israel got us into it.

jameshilliard 16d ago
> Israel has 0 interest in freeing Iran from its regime, and that's not the point of this war. Israel for very obvious reasons[0] has plenty of interest in freeing Iran from its regime as well as an interest in weakening the regime. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...
- mahboi 16d ago
  They want it weakened, that's it. Nobody is putting a replacement in, not even the exiled shah's family. Trump is just barely pretending he wants regime change there while also making dubious WMD claims. More importantly, if Israel wants something, it's not our job.
  - jameshilliard 16d ago
    > They want it weakened, that's it. They certainly want it gone, weakened is the fallback. > Nobody is putting a replacement in, not even the exiled shah's family. What Israel and the US ultimately want is not the same thing as what they will currently put resources behind achieving. > while also making dubious WMD claims What is dubious about the WMD claims? Even the IAEA has said Iran has not been complying with safeguards.[0] It's quite obvious based on their enrichment percentages that they have a nuclear weapons program. > More importantly, if Israel wants something, it's not our job. Both Israel and the US want the regime gone or at least weakened. Sure, US/Israeli interests aren't always fully aligned but they are often similar. The Iranian regime is probably only an existential threat to Israel in the near term but that doesn't mean the regime is not still a threat to US regional interests. The world shouldn't allow terrorist organizations like the IRGC to obtain nukes. [0] https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291 https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291