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Isn't that a good thing? The main argument I've heard against using bitcoin as currency is that it's too volatile.

Forgeties79 17d ago
But the volatility hasn’t gone away. Compared to previous periods of broader interest in it (rife with the awful FOMO habits of people) sure it’s not as bad, but it still fluctuates wildly and without warning. In the past 12mo it has gone as high as 120k and as low as 60k, currently around 76k. You cannot reasonably use a currency like that. Your wealth can’t be doubling or halving over months with 10pt swings over a single day being a common occurrence. How much mental energy and planning would have to go into timing any and all purchases and earning? Better odds than a casino, but still basically a casino.
- andirk 16d ago
  Compare to stonks or precious metals and it's a similar, mostly unknowing situation.
  - Forgeties79 15d ago
    Oh come now
hattmall 17d ago
It would be, except when the primary value proposition is capturing the upside of that volatility. In the case of BTC a sustained lack of volatility is going to create significant downward pricing pressure. At some point that will trigger a run and as stakeholders have condensed the rut will get deeper and deeper as the upside of the volatility swings continually lower.
nicce 17d ago
> The main argument I've heard against using bitcoin as currency is that it's too volatile. Also the transaction cost. Is it any better?
- bittwiddle 17d ago
  https://bitcoincalculator.tools/calculators/lightning https://bitcoincalculator.tools/calculators/lightning Its about 2 cents for a coffee(10k sats ~= 7.6 usd), or 0.2%. Versus 1.5-3.5% that visa typically charges.
andirk 16d ago
I moved some BTC from Coinbase today, which is a pricier option, and they took a house rake of 1.8%. Other moves cost way way less, especially if not in a hurry and the network isn't busy. My situation compares to a remittances transfer like Western Union https://www.westernunion.com/content/dam/wu/EU/EN/210439812_D_Fee_table_update_EN_v2_LowRes.pdf https://www.westernunion.com/content/dam/wu/EU/EN/210439812_... which charge about 4%+. Cash-to-cash is free, but it loses value while it sits under your mattress.

But the volatility hasn’t gone away. Compared to previous periods of broader interest in it (rife with the awful FOMO habits of people) sure it’s not as bad, but it still fluctuates wildly and without warning. In the past 12mo it has gone as high as 120k and as low as 60k, currently around 76k. You cannot reasonably use a currency like that. Your wealth can’t be doubling or halving over months with 10pt swings over a single day being a common occurrence. How much mental energy and planning would have to go into timing any and all purchases and earning? Better odds than a casino, but still basically a casino.

andirk 16d ago
Compare to stonks or precious metals and it's a similar, mostly unknowing situation.
- Forgeties79 15d ago
  Oh come now

hattmall 17d ago

It would be, except when the primary value proposition is capturing the upside of that volatility. In the case of BTC a sustained lack of volatility is going to create significant downward pricing pressure. At some point that will trigger a run and as stakeholders have condensed the rut will get deeper and deeper as the upside of the volatility swings continually lower.

nicce 17d ago

> The main argument I've heard against using bitcoin as currency is that it's too volatile. Also the transaction cost. Is it any better?

bittwiddle 17d ago
https://bitcoincalculator.tools/calculators/lightning https://bitcoincalculator.tools/calculators/lightning Its about 2 cents for a coffee(10k sats ~= 7.6 usd), or 0.2%. Versus 1.5-3.5% that visa typically charges.

andirk 16d ago

I moved some BTC from Coinbase today, which is a pricier option, and they took a house rake of 1.8%. Other moves cost way way less, especially if not in a hurry and the network isn't busy. My situation compares to a remittances transfer like Western Union https://www.westernunion.com/content/dam/wu/EU/EN/210439812_D_Fee_table_update_EN_v2_LowRes.pdf https://www.westernunion.com/content/dam/wu/EU/EN/210439812_... which charge about 4%+. Cash-to-cash is free, but it loses value while it sits under your mattress.