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#2 isn't a likely example simply because life doesn't work out that way. The people who steal a gun is usually from someone they know. #3 is possible but, with

#2 isn't a likely example simply because life doesn't work out that way. The people who steal a gun is usually from someone they know. #3 is possible but, with what has happened so far, conservative bosses have threatened to decline their workforce if Obama won the election. Nothing has been shown to the opposite.

tedunangst 14y ago
The people who steal a gun is usually from someone they know... has a gun.
- shawn-butler 14y ago
  The people who steal guns have never before had an easy menu from which to choose. Many gun thefts are crimes of opportunity/passion like you say, but not all. Most violent offenders don't steal the guns they use to commit crimes they buy them from the black market. Promoting a black market opportunity is a very dumb policy. An old (circa 1997) U.S. Department of Justice survey of prison inmates possessing a firearm during the offense that put them in jail showed that only 14% bought their gun from a retail store, pawn shop, flea market, or gun show. 40% acquired their firearms from family or friends. [0] The remainder were stolen or purchased on the black market. I can't say whether recent trends are any different, it's not my area of interest anymore. The FBI compiles data on the theft of guns through the Stolen Gun File of the NCIC database [1]. I haven't had access in a long time but when I was doing research many years ago I found that between 1992 and 2002, around 1.7 million firearms were taken, representing a rate of 16.8 stolen firearms for every one thousand households. Of those stolen weapons, 687,857 were later recovered by authorities or by "guns for x" amnesty turn-in programs as of 2002. So that means more than one million of those stolen firearms were unaccounted for as of 2002. [0]: Caroline Wolf Harlow, Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001 (sorry no link available that I know of) [1]: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ncic/ncic_files http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ncic/ncic_files
gyardley 14y ago
What about Scott Eckern, the Sacramento theatre director who made a donation in support of California's Proposition 8? I'd be wary of suggesting people of only one political viewpoint behave badly, since we don't know what issue will be the lightning rod in the future. Recording and sharing less information protects all of us.
shawn-butler 14y ago
What if the data in question regarding #3 was not a database of weapon permits but say a database of marijuana licenses or tax stamps which seems an almost inevitable conclusion of current political trends? Ok with your employer knowing about your legal possession and use of a now legal substance? On the flip side as a startup founder making important key first hiring decisions would you want to know about a candidates legal drug use?

tedunangst 14y ago

The people who steal a gun is usually from someone they know... has a gun.

shawn-butler 14y ago
The people who steal guns have never before had an easy menu from which to choose. Many gun thefts are crimes of opportunity/passion like you say, but not all. Most violent offenders don't steal the guns they use to commit crimes they buy them from the black market. Promoting a black market opportunity is a very dumb policy. An old (circa 1997) U.S. Department of Justice survey of prison inmates possessing a firearm during the offense that put them in jail showed that only 14% bought their gun from a retail store, pawn shop, flea market, or gun show. 40% acquired their firearms from family or friends. [0] The remainder were stolen or purchased on the black market. I can't say whether recent trends are any different, it's not my area of interest anymore. The FBI compiles data on the theft of guns through the Stolen Gun File of the NCIC database [1]. I haven't had access in a long time but when I was doing research many years ago I found that between 1992 and 2002, around 1.7 million firearms were taken, representing a rate of 16.8 stolen firearms for every one thousand households. Of those stolen weapons, 687,857 were later recovered by authorities or by "guns for x" amnesty turn-in programs as of 2002. So that means more than one million of those stolen firearms were unaccounted for as of 2002. [0]: Caroline Wolf Harlow, Firearm Use by Offenders, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2001 (sorry no link available that I know of) [1]: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ncic/ncic_files http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ncic/ncic_files

gyardley 14y ago

What about Scott Eckern, the Sacramento theatre director who made a donation in support of California's Proposition 8? I'd be wary of suggesting people of only one political viewpoint behave badly, since we don't know what issue will be the lightning rod in the future. Recording and sharing less information protects all of us.

shawn-butler 14y ago

What if the data in question regarding #3 was not a database of weapon permits but say a database of marijuana licenses or tax stamps which seems an almost inevitable conclusion of current political trends? Ok with your employer knowing about your legal possession and use of a now legal substance? On the flip side as a startup founder making important key first hiring decisions would you want to know about a candidates legal drug use?