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So how they enjoy their sex lives is dependant on continuing to preach AI catastrophism? I don't buy it. Lots of poly folks out here that probably don't care mu

So how they enjoy their sex lives is dependant on continuing to preach AI catastrophism? I don't buy it. Lots of poly folks out here that probably don't care much about AI one way or another.

Sander_Marechal 15d ago
Yeah it is. If they stop preaching AI doomerism then they're out of the cult and won't get invited to orgies anymore.
- thevinter 15d ago
  Are you implying that every rationalist that preaches AI doomerism gets invited to orgies?
  - watwut 15d ago
    No, he is saying that if they stop preaching it, they stop being invited. A -> B does not imply B -> A.
    - Viliam1234 15d ago
      So even those who were never invited are afraid that they won't get invited anymore?
  - tsimionescu 15d ago
    No, just the ones that are part of this specific community described in the blog post.
    - Kinrany 15d ago
      "Mostly" in the title implies otherwise.
      - tsimionescu 15d ago
        The title is senstaionalist. The actual content of the article refers to a specific community, including Eliezer Yudkowsky, Aella, and others.
  - MelonArmiger 15d ago
    Isn't one of them going around offering people "reverse gangbangs" to resign from Anthropic?
- jaycroft 15d ago
  Hate to break it to you, but I don't think the AI doomers have a monopoly on orgies. You name the political / belief system and I'll find an orgy for you by 10pm.
  - astrange 15d ago
    Neoliberal YIMBYism?
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    - sapphicsnail 14d ago
      Don't think it was a full on orgy but I've seen some cringey Yimby parties
tsimionescu 15d ago
No one is claiming that all poly people have some ties to the AI community. They make a claim about a specific community in San Francisco, that is tied together by a mix of AI doomerism and sexual relations. And it's not at all surprising or some farfetched claim that people who enjoy having sex with someone might adopt their ideas, at least publicly, for fear of losing that sexual connection.
- deinonychus 15d ago
  >And it's not at all surprising or some farfetched claim that people who enjoy having sex with someone might adopt their ideas, at least publicly, for fear of losing that sexual connection. am i naive? in the direction you pose this, i can't imagine it's that common and if that happens i don't feel sorry for our imagined victim. being a bay area guy who attends so many orgies that AI doomerism rubs off on him? and he keeps spreading it to other people and that some substantial bulk of doomerism is due to this mechanism such that it voids the ideological purity of doomerism? i'm not a bay area guy and i haven't attended these orgies but i hope they have other shit to talk about at the orgies than AI if the relationship is flipped - being genuinely interested in the theory but then being roped into weird sex shit that you didn't ask for, sure that that sounds predatory. a sex cult where AI is instrumental, rather than an AI cult where sex is instrumental. it would be more remarkable imo but i don't know if anyone is saying out loud that's what's happening.
  - tsimionescu 13d ago
    The claim is not that there is some victim here. The claim is that these people, in spite of their claims of simply rationally following the evidence wherever it leads, have become trapped in the idea that AI doom is imminent and the only serious concern that anyone in the AI community (at least!) should have. This irrational attachment is then re-enforced not through rational discourse, but through the strong emotional bonds and biases induced by a network of sexual relations. And it also claim that this phenomenon is happening in a specific group in Berkley, California, and that a large majority of people working in AI safety at the biggest labs are members of this group.

So how they enjoy their sex lives is dependant on continuing to preach AI catastrophism? I don't buy it. Lots of poly folks out here that probably don't care much about AI one way or another.

Sander_Marechal 15d ago

Yeah it is. If they stop preaching AI doomerism then they're out of the cult and won't get invited to orgies anymore.

thevinter 15d ago
Are you implying that every rationalist that preaches AI doomerism gets invited to orgies?
- watwut 15d ago
  No, he is saying that if they stop preaching it, they stop being invited. A -> B does not imply B -> A.
  - Viliam1234 15d ago
    So even those who were never invited are afraid that they won't get invited anymore?
- tsimionescu 15d ago
  No, just the ones that are part of this specific community described in the blog post.
  - Kinrany 15d ago
    "Mostly" in the title implies otherwise.
    - tsimionescu 15d ago
      The title is senstaionalist. The actual content of the article refers to a specific community, including Eliezer Yudkowsky, Aella, and others.
- MelonArmiger 15d ago
  Isn't one of them going around offering people "reverse gangbangs" to resign from Anthropic?
jaycroft 15d ago
Hate to break it to you, but I don't think the AI doomers have a monopoly on orgies. You name the political / belief system and I'll find an orgy for you by 10pm.
- astrange 15d ago
  Neoliberal YIMBYism?
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  - sapphicsnail 14d ago
    Don't think it was a full on orgy but I've seen some cringey Yimby parties

tsimionescu 15d ago

No one is claiming that all poly people have some ties to the AI community. They make a claim about a specific community in San Francisco, that is tied together by a mix of AI doomerism and sexual relations. And it's not at all surprising or some farfetched claim that people who enjoy having sex with someone might adopt their ideas, at least publicly, for fear of losing that sexual connection.

deinonychus 15d ago
>And it's not at all surprising or some farfetched claim that people who enjoy having sex with someone might adopt their ideas, at least publicly, for fear of losing that sexual connection. am i naive? in the direction you pose this, i can't imagine it's that common and if that happens i don't feel sorry for our imagined victim. being a bay area guy who attends so many orgies that AI doomerism rubs off on him? and he keeps spreading it to other people and that some substantial bulk of doomerism is due to this mechanism such that it voids the ideological purity of doomerism? i'm not a bay area guy and i haven't attended these orgies but i hope they have other shit to talk about at the orgies than AI if the relationship is flipped - being genuinely interested in the theory but then being roped into weird sex shit that you didn't ask for, sure that that sounds predatory. a sex cult where AI is instrumental, rather than an AI cult where sex is instrumental. it would be more remarkable imo but i don't know if anyone is saying out loud that's what's happening.
- tsimionescu 13d ago
  The claim is not that there is some victim here. The claim is that these people, in spite of their claims of simply rationally following the evidence wherever it leads, have become trapped in the idea that AI doom is imminent and the only serious concern that anyone in the AI community (at least!) should have. This irrational attachment is then re-enforced not through rational discourse, but through the strong emotional bonds and biases induced by a network of sexual relations. And it also claim that this phenomenon is happening in a specific group in Berkley, California, and that a large majority of people working in AI safety at the biggest labs are members of this group.