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The main argument, and a silly one, summarizing the outrage about the map is "now criminals can find guns to steal". This is very silly -- there are plenty of

The main argument, and a silly one, summarizing the outrage about the map is "now criminals can find guns to steal". This is very silly -- there are plenty of maps to use to find banks, gun stores, gasoline, fertilizer...or rich people's homes.

bitcrusher 14y ago
The security at Banks and Gun Stores at least, is significantly higher than that of a personal residence, so, it's NOT that silly. The main argument is that "outing" people in a collective way, as though they are 'sex offenders'( per the text ) is absurd and offensive.
bonch 14y ago
The argument I've seen is that this is very the kind of politically-driven privacy invasion that gun owners have feared about gun registration laws.
delinka 14y ago
The inverse of the list is a collection of targets that are "safe" to invade. Edit: added quotes. Some criminal will certainly, without thinking, decide these are safe targets. And statistically speaking, they'd probably be right more often than not. At the least, it's a great list of targets to avoid if you're planning to loot a neighborhood.
- amolsarva 14y ago
  Not safe. They just don't have a registered gun. They have knives, security systems, gates, locks, police driving by. And the ones with guns may well be easy to invade. It happened to the mom of that killer last week. It's not a good argument but the gun fans do make it repeatedly.
- cheald 14y ago
  Registration is generally not required for a shotgun, which is what is commonly recommended for home invasion defense. While there is certainly going to be an overlap between owners of registered handguns and owners of unregistered shotguns, "house is not on the map, no guns to worry about in there" is a false assumption.
  - stephencanon 14y ago
    "Home invasion defense" sounds like the basest from of scaremongering I can imagine. What is the actual incidence of "home invasion"? Does it even exceed the incidence of firearms accidents and domestic assault with firearms? There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of better things waste your time and money worrying about, and most of the "solutions" to those don't put your family at risk.
    - cheald 14y ago
      How is this in any way related to the fact that unregistered shotguns may be present in the homes not marked as having gun owners on this map?
  - chrisbennet 14y ago
    Who recommends a shotgun for home defense? Its a poor choice as it is less maneuverable, ranges are very short and gives the attacker a lot of leverage to pull it away from you. Of course, people selling shotguns might recommend them...
    - cheald 14y ago
      The primary line of reasoning is that a buckshot shell is going to pack more force than a handgun (12-gauge #00 buckshot is 1.2k-3k ft/lbs of force spread out over 9 pellets, depending on the shell and weapon versus ~500 ft/lbs of force from a .40 handgun round), but because it's spread out over multiple pellets, it will be more easily stopped or slowed by walls or other obstructions, reducing the chances of a round penetrating a wall and harming a bystander. Additionally, a shotgun requires far less precise aiming to operate effectively, specifically because of the physics of it being a short-range weapon. Since most people don't have training in precisely aiming and firing guns in high-stress situations, a weapon that requires less precision to use effectively is going to be much more useful if you ever did find yourself in a situation that you needed to use it. A shorter barrel would obviously be more maneuverable, but shotguns must have a minimum barrel length of 18" by law, specifically in order to prevent them from being easily concealed.
viggity 14y ago
or, perhaps, they'll make sure a house DOESN'T have a gun before they decide to rob it.
jlgreco 14y ago
"Another concern was for the safety of domestic abuse victims, who might want to carry concealed weapons for their own protection but don't want an abusive former partner to know where they live." "Another poster wrote: "I've moved twice to get away from a violent ex. Now I have to move again. I really appreciate you publishing my address. Gee, thanks."" http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/108418 http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/108418

bitcrusher 14y ago

The security at Banks and Gun Stores at least, is significantly higher than that of a personal residence, so, it's NOT that silly. The main argument is that "outing" people in a collective way, as though they are 'sex offenders'( per the text ) is absurd and offensive.

bonch 14y ago

The argument I've seen is that this is very the kind of politically-driven privacy invasion that gun owners have feared about gun registration laws.

delinka 14y ago

The inverse of the list is a collection of targets that are "safe" to invade. Edit: added quotes. Some criminal will certainly, without thinking, decide these are safe targets. And statistically speaking, they'd probably be right more often than not. At the least, it's a great list of targets to avoid if you're planning to loot a neighborhood.

amolsarva 14y ago
Not safe. They just don't have a registered gun. They have knives, security systems, gates, locks, police driving by. And the ones with guns may well be easy to invade. It happened to the mom of that killer last week. It's not a good argument but the gun fans do make it repeatedly.
cheald 14y ago
Registration is generally not required for a shotgun, which is what is commonly recommended for home invasion defense. While there is certainly going to be an overlap between owners of registered handguns and owners of unregistered shotguns, "house is not on the map, no guns to worry about in there" is a false assumption.
- stephencanon 14y ago
  "Home invasion defense" sounds like the basest from of scaremongering I can imagine. What is the actual incidence of "home invasion"? Does it even exceed the incidence of firearms accidents and domestic assault with firearms? There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of better things waste your time and money worrying about, and most of the "solutions" to those don't put your family at risk.
  - cheald 14y ago
    How is this in any way related to the fact that unregistered shotguns may be present in the homes not marked as having gun owners on this map?
- chrisbennet 14y ago
  Who recommends a shotgun for home defense? Its a poor choice as it is less maneuverable, ranges are very short and gives the attacker a lot of leverage to pull it away from you. Of course, people selling shotguns might recommend them...
  - cheald 14y ago
    The primary line of reasoning is that a buckshot shell is going to pack more force than a handgun (12-gauge #00 buckshot is 1.2k-3k ft/lbs of force spread out over 9 pellets, depending on the shell and weapon versus ~500 ft/lbs of force from a .40 handgun round), but because it's spread out over multiple pellets, it will be more easily stopped or slowed by walls or other obstructions, reducing the chances of a round penetrating a wall and harming a bystander. Additionally, a shotgun requires far less precise aiming to operate effectively, specifically because of the physics of it being a short-range weapon. Since most people don't have training in precisely aiming and firing guns in high-stress situations, a weapon that requires less precision to use effectively is going to be much more useful if you ever did find yourself in a situation that you needed to use it. A shorter barrel would obviously be more maneuverable, but shotguns must have a minimum barrel length of 18" by law, specifically in order to prevent them from being easily concealed.

viggity 14y ago

or, perhaps, they'll make sure a house DOESN'T have a gun before they decide to rob it.

jlgreco 14y ago

"Another concern was for the safety of domestic abuse victims, who might want to carry concealed weapons for their own protection but don't want an abusive former partner to know where they live." "Another poster wrote: "I've moved twice to get away from a violent ex. Now I have to move again. I really appreciate you publishing my address. Gee, thanks."" http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/108418 http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/108418