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Not sure when your last foray into the .NET ecosystem was, but every since it is xplat and unified (.NET 5 probably) it is a real joy. I use VSCode as IDE for C

Not sure when your last foray into the .NET ecosystem was, but every since it is xplat and unified (.NET 5 probably) it is a real joy. I use VSCode as IDE for C# on my mac, and deploy to Linux.

atraac 9d ago
He didn't say you can't use Linux or MacOS, he said there's still a culture of being Windows and Microsoft only across .NET shops. As an ex .NET dev I can confirm, the community is quite close minded, language is awesome.
- IneffablePigeon 9d ago
  I think it's changing a lot recently. Our eng team of ~150 has been fully macos for several years now and we've deployed to Linux for ten.
  - DANmode 9d ago
    This. The community is being diluted by…a different demographic!
    - intrasight 9d ago
      Including the internal Microsoft community
  - mpawelski 9d ago
    do you mind sharing the company name?
- masfoobar 9d ago
  > As an ex .NET dev Just curious.. what language(s) are you using now?
  - atraac 9d ago
    I landed in a web3 Node, Typescript startup so... Not great. But it allowed me to see an entirely different world so I can't complain.
- smt88 9d ago
  Why do I care if other shops are Windows-only? The language and ecosystem are phenomenal and Linux support is first-class.
farlight 9d ago
I've been using .NET almost exclusively on Linux since it was called .NET Core 2.0, and development platforms other than Windows do feel like second class citizens. Any time you venture into anything remotely advanced, the tooling is usually Windows only. "Everything" expects you to use MSSQL, even if today there's ok official support for PostgreSQL and SQLite. Most "thought leaders" of various sorts are on Windows and expect you to use it. This pervades throughout the ecosystem. Can't see this ever changing as it's not in MS' interest to turn other operating systems into good .NET development platforms.
- aksss 9d ago
  I'm sure you know more about this than me, but EF works fine with SQLite for a project I work on. There are limitations, but I think there's a difference between the idea of EF deliberately not implementing some features for SQLite and SQLite itself not having support for some EF features (which is the reality I'm familiar with). SQL Server is the flagship database project on the Microsoft side and that team surely has some imperative to facilitate the EF vision. It simply must be less of a priority for the PostgreSQL and SQLite maintainers to do so. Is that really a valid dig on the .net ecosystem, though?
  - moron4hire 9d ago
    Incidentally, I'm seriously considering dropping EF. The ability to apply migrations is nice. I find the means of authoring them to be arcane and capricious. Not having to write every simple query is nice, but it gets really hard to do complex or high performance stuff. After a decade of using this thing, I find myself fighting the Entity tracker more and more and now I'm seriously questioning if it's really all worth it.
    - intrasight 9d ago
      I use EF now - but only for the string interpolation in Database.SqlQuery and Database.ExecuteSql. We don't use POCOs but instead use XML and JSON with Linq.

Not sure when your last foray into the .NET ecosystem was, but every since it is xplat and unified (.NET 5 probably) it is a real joy. I use VSCode as IDE for C# on my mac, and deploy to Linux.

atraac 9d ago

He didn't say you can't use Linux or MacOS, he said there's still a culture of being Windows and Microsoft only across .NET shops. As an ex .NET dev I can confirm, the community is quite close minded, language is awesome.

IneffablePigeon 9d ago
I think it's changing a lot recently. Our eng team of ~150 has been fully macos for several years now and we've deployed to Linux for ten.
- DANmode 9d ago
  This. The community is being diluted by…a different demographic!
  - intrasight 9d ago
    Including the internal Microsoft community
- mpawelski 9d ago
  do you mind sharing the company name?
masfoobar 9d ago
> As an ex .NET dev Just curious.. what language(s) are you using now?
- atraac 9d ago
  I landed in a web3 Node, Typescript startup so... Not great. But it allowed me to see an entirely different world so I can't complain.
smt88 9d ago
Why do I care if other shops are Windows-only? The language and ecosystem are phenomenal and Linux support is first-class.

farlight 9d ago

I've been using .NET almost exclusively on Linux since it was called .NET Core 2.0, and development platforms other than Windows do feel like second class citizens. Any time you venture into anything remotely advanced, the tooling is usually Windows only. "Everything" expects you to use MSSQL, even if today there's ok official support for PostgreSQL and SQLite. Most "thought leaders" of various sorts are on Windows and expect you to use it. This pervades throughout the ecosystem. Can't see this ever changing as it's not in MS' interest to turn other operating systems into good .NET development platforms.

aksss 9d ago
I'm sure you know more about this than me, but EF works fine with SQLite for a project I work on. There are limitations, but I think there's a difference between the idea of EF deliberately not implementing some features for SQLite and SQLite itself not having support for some EF features (which is the reality I'm familiar with). SQL Server is the flagship database project on the Microsoft side and that team surely has some imperative to facilitate the EF vision. It simply must be less of a priority for the PostgreSQL and SQLite maintainers to do so. Is that really a valid dig on the .net ecosystem, though?
- moron4hire 9d ago
  Incidentally, I'm seriously considering dropping EF. The ability to apply migrations is nice. I find the means of authoring them to be arcane and capricious. Not having to write every simple query is nice, but it gets really hard to do complex or high performance stuff. After a decade of using this thing, I find myself fighting the Entity tracker more and more and now I'm seriously questioning if it's really all worth it.
  - intrasight 9d ago
    I use EF now - but only for the string interpolation in Database.SqlQuery and Database.ExecuteSql. We don't use POCOs but instead use XML and JSON with Linq.