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I'd be down for a future of awesome looking ships and giant zeppelins gracing the sky.

by lukeify 9d ago

WalterBright 9d ago
I'd love to fly in a Zeppelin, too, but the problem is they are very vulnerable to the weather.
- ThrustVectoring 9d ago
  AIUI the problem is the economics are pretty unfavorable for smaller-scale prototypes due to square-cube issues (drag and thus fuel costs is proportional to cross-sectional area, lift and thus cargo capacity is proportional to volume). You'd need a very big airship to get a competitive economic niche between sea and traditional air freight, where you're faster and more flexible than sea transport and cheaper than traditional air freight.
  - Figs 9d ago
    Hmm. Couldn't you put solar panels on top for power (and fly above the clouds) + use some sort of sail when wind is available? It might be really slow, but if you can get the systems to be fully autonomous (no people needed to pilot it) and need very little / no fuel... then couldn't it become a rather cheap way to ship things that aren't urgent?
    - ThrustVectoring 9d ago
      Solar panels don't have good enough power to weight ratios and aren't likely to contribute effectively. As far as sails go, you need a second medium to act as a keel, otherwise it's impossible to get a net push in any direction other than downwind.
      - WalterBright 8d ago
        One will quickly discover that when you're moving with the wind, any sail is going to sag empty.
  - econ 9d ago
    There is another niche if you make them several miles long and width. Then can use more conventional construction materials like a concrete shell. (We are of course not ready for that)
    - foobarian 9d ago
      In that case they should have those giant propellers that seem to spin at a few rotations per minute
      - econ 7d ago
        We should first build the floating cities. Some old ships welded together surrounded by styrofoam in nets with mud on top and Mangroves, lots of Mangroves... Neptune's park.
    - WalterBright 8d ago
      An airship made from concrete? Better off using Led for Zeppelins.
SoftTalker 9d ago
Oh, the humanity!

I'd be down for a future of awesome looking ships and giant zeppelins gracing the sky.

WalterBright 9d ago

I'd love to fly in a Zeppelin, too, but the problem is they are very vulnerable to the weather.

ThrustVectoring 9d ago
AIUI the problem is the economics are pretty unfavorable for smaller-scale prototypes due to square-cube issues (drag and thus fuel costs is proportional to cross-sectional area, lift and thus cargo capacity is proportional to volume). You'd need a very big airship to get a competitive economic niche between sea and traditional air freight, where you're faster and more flexible than sea transport and cheaper than traditional air freight.
- Figs 9d ago
  Hmm. Couldn't you put solar panels on top for power (and fly above the clouds) + use some sort of sail when wind is available? It might be really slow, but if you can get the systems to be fully autonomous (no people needed to pilot it) and need very little / no fuel... then couldn't it become a rather cheap way to ship things that aren't urgent?
  - ThrustVectoring 9d ago
    Solar panels don't have good enough power to weight ratios and aren't likely to contribute effectively. As far as sails go, you need a second medium to act as a keel, otherwise it's impossible to get a net push in any direction other than downwind.
    - WalterBright 8d ago
      One will quickly discover that when you're moving with the wind, any sail is going to sag empty.
- econ 9d ago
  There is another niche if you make them several miles long and width. Then can use more conventional construction materials like a concrete shell. (We are of course not ready for that)
  - foobarian 9d ago
    In that case they should have those giant propellers that seem to spin at a few rotations per minute
    - econ 7d ago
      We should first build the floating cities. Some old ships welded together surrounded by styrofoam in nets with mud on top and Mangroves, lots of Mangroves... Neptune's park.
  - WalterBright 8d ago
    An airship made from concrete? Better off using Led for Zeppelins.

SoftTalker 9d ago

Oh, the humanity!