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Having spent a lot of time in the UK, EU and US, I feel Sydney is way more like California than say London or European cities, in terms of living, shopping and

by mianos 9d ago

Having spent a lot of time in the UK, EU and US, I feel Sydney is way more like California than say London or European cities, in terms of living, shopping and culture. Even things from the US are coming here, like the growth of Halloween. If you walk into a shop, the US is much more like Australia in terms of service and attitude (even though retail staff are paid vastly differently). I always thought this was due to TV and Australia having remote branches of many US retail chains. Outside of California, it's similar but diverges a lot in areas like socialism. In the recent 20 years Australia has pretty much become more like the EU in terms of socialism.

blululu 9d ago
I've always felt that Australia felt like a British version of California. Though California is itself a bit exceptional in the context of America. The two places have a lot in common though - not withstanding the fact that everyone drives on the wrong side of the road and uses different power cables.
- mianos 9d ago
  But you can bend the pins of the power cables and make them fit. :)
  - blululu 9d ago
    True. You can also drive on the right side down there, but the police are quite stuffy about it.
    - mianos 9d ago
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- astrange 9d ago
  Brisbane is like Miami if it was full of British people. (Except richer and with sunburns.) Melbourne is like Seattle if… actually it's literally just Seattle except they think they invented it.
holgerschurig 9d ago
Well, socialism died out in Europe around 1989. When the iron curtain fell. Currently there is not a single country that has socialism in it's constitution. In the EU, but also in exactly zero non-EU european countries. To educate: socialism has nothing to with how influence the execute or legislative has. Nor has it anything to do with health insurance. The central point of the ideology called "socialism" is that control of the state (not of private owners) over the "means of production". Like capital, land, workforce. To gain this control, socialism is keen to use force. They call it e.g. "dictatorship of the proletariat". Usually this leads to heavy oppression of the people, to some sort of police state. If you look at any real socialist country (like GDR, USSR, Yugoslavia, Cuba, North Korea) you'll always find it to some sort. Even in today's China the banks are still under government control, so "the party" has the ultimate say in everything. You usage of "socialism" doesn't fit that at all. Perhaps you meant something that isn't fully libertarian? My guess is the US people are badly educated these days. And thus easily influenced with false factoids coming from libertarian oligarchs like the Koch brothers. And also it seems like they never heard about "social market economy" ... I mean, there is a spectrum between a fully socialist country like e.g. North Korea and a fully capitalist like ... actually we don't have one that is purely capitalist. Not even in the USA does the "market regulates everything". And also I think that quite a few people never pondered about the idea that there are two words ("social" and "socialism") for a reason.
- MentalM 9d ago
  > The central point of the ideology called "socialism" is that control of the state (not of private owners) over the "means of production". > Usually this leads to heavy oppression of the people, to some sort of police state. And EU are doing all of that (through bureaucratic regulations and control over the media). > there is not a single country that has socialism in it's constitution But it matters what it is in a political reality, not what has been write down in some papers.
- hunterpayne 9d ago
  The irony of this post is truly off the scale. The term socialism wasn't defined by Marx. That's the heart of why you don't understand the definition of that word. There are a half dozen different branches with different definitions, all of which predate Marx. The only reason that you think that is that Lenin made him famous. But you can have socialism without any of the things you mention. It still doesn't work but its different. Think Finland in the 1970s or Sweden in the 1980s. Or Britain and Spain today. Those are all socialist societies by their own definitions. They also don't work. PS Now a serious question, do you think your country is worth defending? If not, why should another country think it is?
underwater 9d ago
I agree. Since moving back from California a decade ago, Australia has felt more and more American. Big cars, the slow incursion of American sports, more American brands popping up (including Starbucks actually getting a foothold), Gen-Z using American terms like math and trash, and a rise in the “screw you” style of American individualism. I don’t think any of this is making Australia a better place to live.
astrange 9d ago
> Even things from the US are coming here, like the growth of Halloween. Halloween is nearly 100% Irish/Scottish. The only American contributions are using a pumpkin, and sometimes holding it in a parking lot.

by mianos 9d ago

blululu 9d ago

I've always felt that Australia felt like a British version of California. Though California is itself a bit exceptional in the context of America. The two places have a lot in common though - not withstanding the fact that everyone drives on the wrong side of the road and uses different power cables.

mianos 9d ago
But you can bend the pins of the power cables and make them fit. :)
- blululu 9d ago
  True. You can also drive on the right side down there, but the police are quite stuffy about it.
  - mianos 9d ago
    [dead]
astrange 9d ago
Brisbane is like Miami if it was full of British people. (Except richer and with sunburns.) Melbourne is like Seattle if… actually it's literally just Seattle except they think they invented it.

holgerschurig 9d ago

Well, socialism died out in Europe around 1989. When the iron curtain fell. Currently there is not a single country that has socialism in it's constitution. In the EU, but also in exactly zero non-EU european countries. To educate: socialism has nothing to with how influence the execute or legislative has. Nor has it anything to do with health insurance. The central point of the ideology called "socialism" is that control of the state (not of private owners) over the "means of production". Like capital, land, workforce. To gain this control, socialism is keen to use force. They call it e.g. "dictatorship of the proletariat". Usually this leads to heavy oppression of the people, to some sort of police state. If you look at any real socialist country (like GDR, USSR, Yugoslavia, Cuba, North Korea) you'll always find it to some sort. Even in today's China the banks are still under government control, so "the party" has the ultimate say in everything. You usage of "socialism" doesn't fit that at all. Perhaps you meant something that isn't fully libertarian? My guess is the US people are badly educated these days. And thus easily influenced with false factoids coming from libertarian oligarchs like the Koch brothers. And also it seems like they never heard about "social market economy" ... I mean, there is a spectrum between a fully socialist country like e.g. North Korea and a fully capitalist like ... actually we don't have one that is purely capitalist. Not even in the USA does the "market regulates everything". And also I think that quite a few people never pondered about the idea that there are two words ("social" and "socialism") for a reason.

MentalM 9d ago
> The central point of the ideology called "socialism" is that control of the state (not of private owners) over the "means of production". > Usually this leads to heavy oppression of the people, to some sort of police state. And EU are doing all of that (through bureaucratic regulations and control over the media). > there is not a single country that has socialism in it's constitution But it matters what it is in a political reality, not what has been write down in some papers.
hunterpayne 9d ago
The irony of this post is truly off the scale. The term socialism wasn't defined by Marx. That's the heart of why you don't understand the definition of that word. There are a half dozen different branches with different definitions, all of which predate Marx. The only reason that you think that is that Lenin made him famous. But you can have socialism without any of the things you mention. It still doesn't work but its different. Think Finland in the 1970s or Sweden in the 1980s. Or Britain and Spain today. Those are all socialist societies by their own definitions. They also don't work. PS Now a serious question, do you think your country is worth defending? If not, why should another country think it is?

underwater 9d ago

I agree. Since moving back from California a decade ago, Australia has felt more and more American. Big cars, the slow incursion of American sports, more American brands popping up (including Starbucks actually getting a foothold), Gen-Z using American terms like math and trash, and a rise in the “screw you” style of American individualism. I don’t think any of this is making Australia a better place to live.

astrange 9d ago

> Even things from the US are coming here, like the growth of Halloween. Halloween is nearly 100% Irish/Scottish. The only American contributions are using a pumpkin, and sometimes holding it in a parking lot.