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>> A conscious machine that always answer the very exact same thing, formulated the exact same way, bit for bit, to a query is, well, quite a weird kind of "con
by lelanthran 20d ago
>> A conscious machine that always answer the very exact same thing, formulated the exact same way, bit for bit, to a query is, well, quite a weird kind of "consciousness".
> You'll need to explain why.
Where are you going with this? I don't see a conclusion for this line of questioning.
I mean, you can't explain why a machine that reliably and predictably produces the same result is "the normal kind of conscious", can you? So why expect someone else to explain why it's a "weird" kind of conscious?
- qarl 20d agoI ask because I truly don't understand what he's saying. Clearly we have different ideas about consciousness and I have no idea where we diverge. He seems to be saying that determinism and consciousness are incompatible. But we already have examples that break that rule (us).
- lelanthran 20d ago> But we already have examples that break that rule (us). No, we don't. Where are you reading your research papers?
- qarl 20d agoPlease don't insult me.
- lelanthran 20d agoIt's not an insult. "People are deterministic" is news to me, so I'd really rather like to know which papers claimed that.
- qarl 20d agoSorry friend, between this and the vague memories I have of you harassing me, I think I'm not going to answer. I'm sure you can get an LLM to explain it to you. Have a nice day.
- lelanthran 20d ago> Sorry friend, [...] Have a nice day. Not a problem; this is the playbook all the all-in AI boosters run to when they are called on their claims. Everyone reading this knows exactly what your claims meant, because the majority of HN have seen this trick before. You can pretend all you want that you're just being polite, but the truth is there is no research backing your claims. Regards, A former research scientist, current business owner.
- qarl 20d agoYep. Have a nice day.