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While "virtualization of everything" seemed like a real future few years ago, at my experience of having Ubuntu installed as virtual machine for coworkers that

by k_bx 14y ago

While "virtualization of everything" seemed like a real future few years ago, at my experience of having Ubuntu installed as virtual machine for coworkers that use windows (but have to do python on linux) -- it completely suck. We ended out either having separate machines or just finding alternatives to windows-apps for those people.

LeafStorm 14y ago
I tried this at my office in August. When hosting the VM on my (somewhat old) laptop, raw performance was the issue -- there wasn't enough RAM and CPU to run both Win7 and the VM concurrently, and as an intern I couldn't justify the laptop upgrade. When moving the VM to a server, the raw performance issues went away, but network lag became a pretty serious obstacle when using the GUI. In the end, I ended up just SSHing into the VM, and mounting part of its filesystem using Samba. (And assuming that I had been able to get a working graphical environment, it's still a very low standard of "working." There are dozens of little annoyances when you're nesting a completely separate window manager inside your current window manager.)
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xradionut 14y ago
I've gone the other way, running Windows 7 as a virtual machine on Ubuntu since performance is really needed for Linux, Windows is just for Office, VS and lower performance databases, etc. Plus I can shut the VM down and use the entire CPU/DRAM/IO for pytables, or whatever. You need decent hardware, I've got a beefy i7 laptop with lots of DRAM and will be adding an additional SSD. You can do better with tower or remoting elsewhere, but it's nice to have the whole environment along sometimes.
mogrim 14y ago
I had a similar experience, but working the other way round - I was using Ubuntu as the base system, and a Windows VM for MS Office stuff. It was a real pain, TBH: navigating in and out of the VM was clunky, moving files around, etc. In case anyone's wondering, I did try using Wine, but that was even worse, I'd get weird screen update problems, things would go black, etc. Libre/Open Office wasn't an option either, the client was 100% MS including Project, and compatibility was (and is) a serious issue.
miahi 14y ago
Many people use laptops that don't have enough power to handle two OSes. I just switched from an i5+SSD Thinkpad to a Xeon-based workstation and the difference while running the same VMs as before is huge.

by k_bx 14y ago

LeafStorm 14y ago

I tried this at my office in August. When hosting the VM on my (somewhat old) laptop, raw performance was the issue -- there wasn't enough RAM and CPU to run both Win7 and the VM concurrently, and as an intern I couldn't justify the laptop upgrade. When moving the VM to a server, the raw performance issues went away, but network lag became a pretty serious obstacle when using the GUI. In the end, I ended up just SSHing into the VM, and mounting part of its filesystem using Samba. (And assuming that I had been able to get a working graphical environment, it's still a very low standard of "working." There are dozens of little annoyances when you're nesting a completely separate window manager inside your current window manager.)

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xradionut 14y ago

I've gone the other way, running Windows 7 as a virtual machine on Ubuntu since performance is really needed for Linux, Windows is just for Office, VS and lower performance databases, etc. Plus I can shut the VM down and use the entire CPU/DRAM/IO for pytables, or whatever. You need decent hardware, I've got a beefy i7 laptop with lots of DRAM and will be adding an additional SSD. You can do better with tower or remoting elsewhere, but it's nice to have the whole environment along sometimes.

mogrim 14y ago

I had a similar experience, but working the other way round - I was using Ubuntu as the base system, and a Windows VM for MS Office stuff. It was a real pain, TBH: navigating in and out of the VM was clunky, moving files around, etc. In case anyone's wondering, I did try using Wine, but that was even worse, I'd get weird screen update problems, things would go black, etc. Libre/Open Office wasn't an option either, the client was 100% MS including Project, and compatibility was (and is) a serious issue.

miahi 14y ago

Many people use laptops that don't have enough power to handle two OSes. I just switched from an i5+SSD Thinkpad to a Xeon-based workstation and the difference while running the same VMs as before is huge.