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Fully predictable result of politicizing science. Really, I blame the scientists for it.

by kelipso 15d ago

Tostino 15d ago
You're joking, right?
- halJordan 15d ago
  I do. I also blame doctors for the current state of our healthcare. It's a reprehensible, pissant, milquetoast thing to stand up and say "oh i hate the way <my_system> is. But I refuse to organize to fix it and I'll externalize responsibility for change onto those outside the system being victimized, who have no power at all." Thats all scientists do, bemoaning the state of affairs it took them decades to create. If you thought ai data center NIMBYism was bad, ask a scientist about effecting change in their lab or field
  - iAMkenough 15d ago
    You do realize that doctors aren’t the ones denying Americans life-saving care, right? They’re not even setting the rates. They don’t mandate the system, the perform within it. They save lives, and you blame them instead of the politicians taking money from lobbyists to keep private insurance death panels profitable.
    - fragmede 15d ago
      There are always going to be "death panels", the only question is if they're staffed by accountants, lawyers, or doctors.
      - iAMkenough 14d ago
        You kill someone, expect to get hell from their family. Eventually the paying customers will get their fair share, even if it takes the new interim CEO taking a few million dollar pay cut to save a few more hundred Americans paying them money every month. The President of the United States committing to spending $1.2 trillion of public dollars to send every adult a one-time $5K check if we vote the way he wants us to, while some family members face $120K or more in medical debt, it’s just a wild time.
    - halJordan 14d ago
      It's exactly this mentality that is the problem. Doctors have much more agency that they admit. And they certainly can get more if they wanted to. Instead, they don't. And it's the constant refrain of "oh i absolutely just have got to follow along and enable" that's infuriating. No healthcare exec pretends they're disgusted with the system they support and strengthen. Doctors do.
jawilson2 15d ago
wtf, explain how you politicize cancer or Alzheimer's research?
- kelipso 15d ago
  Science will generally get painted with a broad brush by the public. Epidemiologists politicize their field for a few years and consequently biology and medicine gets seen as political by the public.
- iAMkenough 15d ago
  It’s saving brown people and triggered a keyword or two in a DOGE search conducted by big-ballz or his coworkers, so decade-long research projects got defunded. https://apnews.com/article/california-research-grants-terminated-keywords-lawsuit-a0ddb01413ecb68d9668490a20be6207 https://apnews.com/article/california-research-grants-termin... You’ll get your one-time $2.5K DOGE dividend check after you vote for Donald J. Trump for a third term.

Fully predictable result of politicizing science. Really, I blame the scientists for it.

by kelipso 15d ago

Fully predictable result of politicizing science. Really, I blame the scientists for it.

Tostino 15d ago

You're joking, right?

halJordan 15d ago
I do. I also blame doctors for the current state of our healthcare. It's a reprehensible, pissant, milquetoast thing to stand up and say "oh i hate the way <my_system> is. But I refuse to organize to fix it and I'll externalize responsibility for change onto those outside the system being victimized, who have no power at all." Thats all scientists do, bemoaning the state of affairs it took them decades to create. If you thought ai data center NIMBYism was bad, ask a scientist about effecting change in their lab or field
- iAMkenough 15d ago
  You do realize that doctors aren’t the ones denying Americans life-saving care, right? They’re not even setting the rates. They don’t mandate the system, the perform within it. They save lives, and you blame them instead of the politicians taking money from lobbyists to keep private insurance death panels profitable.
  - fragmede 15d ago
    There are always going to be "death panels", the only question is if they're staffed by accountants, lawyers, or doctors.
    - iAMkenough 14d ago
      You kill someone, expect to get hell from their family. Eventually the paying customers will get their fair share, even if it takes the new interim CEO taking a few million dollar pay cut to save a few more hundred Americans paying them money every month. The President of the United States committing to spending $1.2 trillion of public dollars to send every adult a one-time $5K check if we vote the way he wants us to, while some family members face $120K or more in medical debt, it’s just a wild time.
  - halJordan 14d ago
    It's exactly this mentality that is the problem. Doctors have much more agency that they admit. And they certainly can get more if they wanted to. Instead, they don't. And it's the constant refrain of "oh i absolutely just have got to follow along and enable" that's infuriating. No healthcare exec pretends they're disgusted with the system they support and strengthen. Doctors do.

jawilson2 15d ago

wtf, explain how you politicize cancer or Alzheimer's research?

kelipso 15d ago
Science will generally get painted with a broad brush by the public. Epidemiologists politicize their field for a few years and consequently biology and medicine gets seen as political by the public.
iAMkenough 15d ago
It’s saving brown people and triggered a keyword or two in a DOGE search conducted by big-ballz or his coworkers, so decade-long research projects got defunded. https://apnews.com/article/california-research-grants-terminated-keywords-lawsuit-a0ddb01413ecb68d9668490a20be6207 https://apnews.com/article/california-research-grants-termin... You’ll get your one-time $2.5K DOGE dividend check after you vote for Donald J. Trump for a third term.