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We don’t have to fully outlaw gambling or other forms of high risk entertainment, but we absolutely should be outlawing the pervasive advertising these companie

We don’t have to fully outlaw gambling or other forms of high risk entertainment, but we absolutely should be outlawing the pervasive advertising these companies are doing. You can’t enjoy sports these days without dodging tons of ads for betting platforms

tt24 10d ago
I don’t see why advertisement for gambling is any more offensive than advertisement for any other form of entertainment
- ImJamal 10d ago
  Watching a TV show or a movie that you saw a commercial for isn't going to bankrupt you and cause you to lose your house.
  - tt24 10d ago
    Should we ban advertisement for skydiving and other such high risk behavior?
    - ImJamal 10d ago
      I haven't looked much into the Canadian levels, but I assume they are similar to the US. Some stats might not be quite right, but... Something like .15% of the US population skydive a year. Almost none of them die. I've seen estimates that over 5% of the US population gamble at a "problem" level and about 0.5% to 1% are outright addicted. About 20% of those addicted have a suicide attempt. Americans who skydive in the US will be about the same number of Americans who attempt suicide due to gambling issues. Skydiving is quite safe so the death rate is so minimal. The scale between the two is just so different.
    - toomanyrichies 9d ago
      This is a terrible analogy. Skydiving isn't addictive, the risk falls on the participant, and a skydiving company doesn't make more money from the customers it hurts. Gambling apps get a large share of their revenue from the small group of users who can't stop. Meanwhile they cap the bets of people who win too much, so arguing that "betting is just entertainment in a free market" is false on its face. These are predatory companies and they should absolutely be regulated as such.
      - tt24 8d ago
        > Skydiving isn't addictive Skydiving is absolutely addictive. Adrenaline chasing is addictive behavior > the risk falls on the participant Same with gambling > a skydiving company doesn't make more money from the customers it hurts Yes they do. It's shocking how you managed to construct the most flatly incorrect string of words ever
        toomanyrichies 8d ago
        > Adrenaline chasing is addictive behavior Gambling disorder is a recognized diagnosis in both the DSM-5 [1] and the WHO's ICD-11 [2], with a $14 billion annual social cost [3] in the US alone. Show me the equivalent DSM entry and social cost for "skydiving addiction". The word "addiction" has an actual clinical meaning. It's not just vibes. The person has lost control over the behavior, and they keep doing it despite harm. There's no "Skydivers Anonymous". With gambling, spouses and kids lose savings, debts don't get paid, and the public bears the cost of the ER visits in the headline. Gambling externalizes the costs in a way that skydiving doesn't. That’s the difference. > Yes they do. An injured skydiver is a net loss for a skydiving company: insurance, lawsuits, lost business, bad press. You gave no evidence for how they'd profit. You just said "Yes they do". Cue Hitchens's Razor: what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. 1. https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disorder/what-is-gambling-disorder https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disord... 2. https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#1041487064 https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#1041487064 3. https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/faqs-what-is-problem-gambling/ https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/faqs-what-is-prob...

tt24 10d ago

I don’t see why advertisement for gambling is any more offensive than advertisement for any other form of entertainment

ImJamal 10d ago
Watching a TV show or a movie that you saw a commercial for isn't going to bankrupt you and cause you to lose your house.
- tt24 10d ago
  Should we ban advertisement for skydiving and other such high risk behavior?
  - ImJamal 10d ago
    I haven't looked much into the Canadian levels, but I assume they are similar to the US. Some stats might not be quite right, but... Something like .15% of the US population skydive a year. Almost none of them die. I've seen estimates that over 5% of the US population gamble at a "problem" level and about 0.5% to 1% are outright addicted. About 20% of those addicted have a suicide attempt. Americans who skydive in the US will be about the same number of Americans who attempt suicide due to gambling issues. Skydiving is quite safe so the death rate is so minimal. The scale between the two is just so different.
  - toomanyrichies 9d ago
    This is a terrible analogy. Skydiving isn't addictive, the risk falls on the participant, and a skydiving company doesn't make more money from the customers it hurts. Gambling apps get a large share of their revenue from the small group of users who can't stop. Meanwhile they cap the bets of people who win too much, so arguing that "betting is just entertainment in a free market" is false on its face. These are predatory companies and they should absolutely be regulated as such.
    - tt24 8d ago
      > Skydiving isn't addictive Skydiving is absolutely addictive. Adrenaline chasing is addictive behavior > the risk falls on the participant Same with gambling > a skydiving company doesn't make more money from the customers it hurts Yes they do. It's shocking how you managed to construct the most flatly incorrect string of words ever
      - toomanyrichies 8d ago
        > Adrenaline chasing is addictive behavior Gambling disorder is a recognized diagnosis in both the DSM-5 [1] and the WHO's ICD-11 [2], with a $14 billion annual social cost [3] in the US alone. Show me the equivalent DSM entry and social cost for "skydiving addiction". The word "addiction" has an actual clinical meaning. It's not just vibes. The person has lost control over the behavior, and they keep doing it despite harm. There's no "Skydivers Anonymous". With gambling, spouses and kids lose savings, debts don't get paid, and the public bears the cost of the ER visits in the headline. Gambling externalizes the costs in a way that skydiving doesn't. That’s the difference. > Yes they do. An injured skydiver is a net loss for a skydiving company: insurance, lawsuits, lost business, bad press. You gave no evidence for how they'd profit. You just said "Yes they do". Cue Hitchens's Razor: what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. 1. https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disorder/what-is-gambling-disorder https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disord... 2. https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#1041487064 https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#1041487064 3. https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/faqs-what-is-problem-gambling/ https://www.ncpgambling.org/help-treatment/faqs-what-is-prob...