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Tl;DR: It's not a new organization, or non-profit institute. It's a Substack/blog. > DMI is a platform for researchers and thinkers from across Google DeepMin

by ipsum2 10d ago

Tl;DR: It's not a new organization, or non-profit institute. It's a Substack/blog. > DMI is a platform for researchers and thinkers from across Google DeepMind, Google, and the wider global research community to work on and publish creative, deeply informed ideas about a world with AGI. They will not always agree, and they will likely change their minds, as more data and information comes to light at the fast-moving frontier. We created this institute precisely because broad-based intellectual discussion and debate are required to arrive at a consensus about how to address the challenges and opportunities we face as a society.

dude250711 10d ago
The word "institute" gives an aura of credibility without some boring accreditation. Though not sure every country allows that.
trollbridge 10d ago
Nonetheless, there are great articles up on there, such as: https://institute.deepmind.com/essays/the-case-for-reasoning-transparency/ https://institute.deepmind.com/essays/the-case-for-reasoning... (Hiding chains of thought is one of the most harmful things I think OAI/Anthr. has done, altough Google Gemini also encrypts its chains of thought, so it's interesting to see the DeepMind Institute crticising this.)
- ppaattrriicckk 10d ago
  My read is that they're criticizing moving the reasoning (more) into the latent space, such that not even researchers/safety-evaluators can actually see what's going on. Of course this still then has a 'trust me, bro' feel to it, but making it outright impossible to reasonably inspect the CoT is a significantly larger and riskier step, IMO.
  - trollbridge 9d ago
    At least there are technical reasons to argue in favour of moving some CoT into latent space. Encrypting CoT is just plain nuts yet we’ve all accepted it as normal.
dgellow 10d ago
So, a think tank, to lobby governments > We created this institute precisely because broad-based intellectual discussion and debate are required to arrive at a consensus about how to address the challenges and opportunities we face as a society. Something tells me that consensus will never arrive to the conclusion that we should shut down that whole industry
bix6 10d ago
How can they even pretend to distance themselves from Google…

by ipsum2 10d ago

dude250711 10d ago

The word "institute" gives an aura of credibility without some boring accreditation. Though not sure every country allows that.

trollbridge 10d ago

Nonetheless, there are great articles up on there, such as: https://institute.deepmind.com/essays/the-case-for-reasoning-transparency/ https://institute.deepmind.com/essays/the-case-for-reasoning... (Hiding chains of thought is one of the most harmful things I think OAI/Anthr. has done, altough Google Gemini also encrypts its chains of thought, so it's interesting to see the DeepMind Institute crticising this.)

ppaattrriicckk 10d ago
My read is that they're criticizing moving the reasoning (more) into the latent space, such that not even researchers/safety-evaluators can actually see what's going on. Of course this still then has a 'trust me, bro' feel to it, but making it outright impossible to reasonably inspect the CoT is a significantly larger and riskier step, IMO.
- trollbridge 9d ago
  At least there are technical reasons to argue in favour of moving some CoT into latent space. Encrypting CoT is just plain nuts yet we’ve all accepted it as normal.

dgellow 10d ago

So, a think tank, to lobby governments > We created this institute precisely because broad-based intellectual discussion and debate are required to arrive at a consensus about how to address the challenges and opportunities we face as a society. Something tells me that consensus will never arrive to the conclusion that we should shut down that whole industry

bix6 10d ago

How can they even pretend to distance themselves from Google…