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Sssshhhh stating this for his whole life was one reason Warren Buffet got villified. His point was he's an old guy. And Reagan was better than Nixon who was be

by spwa4 15d ago

Sssshhhh stating this for his whole life was one reason Warren Buffet got villified. His point was he's an old guy. And Reagan was better than Nixon who was better than Bush junior who was better Trump ... but they all sucked and all of them were the worst thing ever to happen to America. So yeah, Trump is the worst that has happened to America ... so far. (and if you point out that "The American age ending" what so many people seem to want will obviously lead to democratic presidents sucking up to Putin as well ...)

cowboylowrez 15d ago
Yeah, Buffet is right, the trend has been downward, although I think Bush Sr. might have been the exception. And I do agree that the American age is ending. With trump tho, it just seems worse. Course the only thing I have to go on is evidence and "walk like a duck-isms" but with Bush jr and before, it seemed like these guys at least appeared patrotic and they didn't look so malignantly treasonous and I think they put forth the idea that while they were conservative, at least the pretense was that they honored the office and the constitution. so since that is gone the progress toward national decline now seems to be a deliberate operation on behalf of people who are no longer interested in democracy. This is new to me.
- fuzzfactor 15d ago
  When Bush Sr was in the White House, Barbara Bush was there too with her own unique love of what made America great. Things would have been much worse without Barbara. The exact same things that have been trashed by Trump while Melania doesn't seem to have any deep-seated concept of America either.
  - cowboylowrez 15d ago
    Yes but if Bush Sr listened to his wife, and additionally, his wife loved him enough to not leave him, thats something right? Or do you think someone with Barbara Bush's elevated love of america lost that love long enough to marry Bush Sr given that there's a theory that he was a bad person too? I still offer the alternate theory that Bush Sr. was indeed a pause in the GOP's descent into the current realm of evil and contempt for the population of our country. Hell, I read trump doesn't even like his own voters and that rings so true haha
    - fuzzfactor 15d ago
      The GOP got so devoid of patriotism so fast it put the Democrats to shame. I haven't been able to trust any political parties for a while. After Obama, the GOP couldn't elevate anybody, all they could do is sink so low that only the worthless attention-getting blowhards were left standing. I was in Texas before during and after Bush Sr was Governor, and distinctly remember the way he was not good enough for Texas before he became not good enough for America. But who is? The further back you go, a political figure is more like a normal person, usually. The parties have always been the bad influence over the man until they got so bad that Trump made the boldest example as the party dropped the ball and let the man be an even worse influence on the party. I watched both parties prove their incompetence in my lifetime and witnessed the outcome on a daily basis in real time. Confirmation all took place in the last part of the 20th century. Well first a warning shot from offshore when the Communist Party of Cuba proved their incompetence. Mao was an echo in the distance. Then after a number of years comes the GOP, China picks up the ball the first time, and not that many years later the Democrats. In there somewhere the Soviet Communists gave up the ghost, and where substitutes exist they're still pretty sketchy. The Chinese Communists are incompetent as ever, that hasn't changed for the longest time, but now they look like a bastion of stability compared to the chaos other parties seek out or tolerate. The thing in common with the shithole approach is when there's anything like a dictator no matter what they call themselves. We may already have the hindsight needed to pinpoint the extent of the "American Century" as we knew it. Hard to drag it into the 21st century very far when the parties which built it haven't been with us for so long. One thing nobody can deny from any party today, I've said it before and that's a big thing that makes people talk about the death of the American Age not just outside the borders or overseas but domestically. Every single day Trump comes on TV and hammers home the fact that Obama was the final President to be recognized as the "leader of the free world". And the party has packed the government with minions in lockstep who can only iterate "what's a Free World?" You can't paint a pretty picture here. The American Age either likely paused, perhaps quite a bit before Obama, or definitely right afterward, and whether this was a near-fatal injury or a morbid conclusion, it's been quite a while and it's starting to smell too far decomposed for as many people to ignore as there were.
      - 15d ago
rbanffy 11d ago
The fact the US manages to elect increasingly bad presidents doesn’t really make one feel it can self-heal.

by spwa4 15d ago

cowboylowrez 15d ago

Yeah, Buffet is right, the trend has been downward, although I think Bush Sr. might have been the exception. And I do agree that the American age is ending. With trump tho, it just seems worse. Course the only thing I have to go on is evidence and "walk like a duck-isms" but with Bush jr and before, it seemed like these guys at least appeared patrotic and they didn't look so malignantly treasonous and I think they put forth the idea that while they were conservative, at least the pretense was that they honored the office and the constitution. so since that is gone the progress toward national decline now seems to be a deliberate operation on behalf of people who are no longer interested in democracy. This is new to me.

fuzzfactor 15d ago
When Bush Sr was in the White House, Barbara Bush was there too with her own unique love of what made America great. Things would have been much worse without Barbara. The exact same things that have been trashed by Trump while Melania doesn't seem to have any deep-seated concept of America either.
- cowboylowrez 15d ago
  Yes but if Bush Sr listened to his wife, and additionally, his wife loved him enough to not leave him, thats something right? Or do you think someone with Barbara Bush's elevated love of america lost that love long enough to marry Bush Sr given that there's a theory that he was a bad person too? I still offer the alternate theory that Bush Sr. was indeed a pause in the GOP's descent into the current realm of evil and contempt for the population of our country. Hell, I read trump doesn't even like his own voters and that rings so true haha
  - fuzzfactor 15d ago
    The GOP got so devoid of patriotism so fast it put the Democrats to shame. I haven't been able to trust any political parties for a while. After Obama, the GOP couldn't elevate anybody, all they could do is sink so low that only the worthless attention-getting blowhards were left standing. I was in Texas before during and after Bush Sr was Governor, and distinctly remember the way he was not good enough for Texas before he became not good enough for America. But who is? The further back you go, a political figure is more like a normal person, usually. The parties have always been the bad influence over the man until they got so bad that Trump made the boldest example as the party dropped the ball and let the man be an even worse influence on the party. I watched both parties prove their incompetence in my lifetime and witnessed the outcome on a daily basis in real time. Confirmation all took place in the last part of the 20th century. Well first a warning shot from offshore when the Communist Party of Cuba proved their incompetence. Mao was an echo in the distance. Then after a number of years comes the GOP, China picks up the ball the first time, and not that many years later the Democrats. In there somewhere the Soviet Communists gave up the ghost, and where substitutes exist they're still pretty sketchy. The Chinese Communists are incompetent as ever, that hasn't changed for the longest time, but now they look like a bastion of stability compared to the chaos other parties seek out or tolerate. The thing in common with the shithole approach is when there's anything like a dictator no matter what they call themselves. We may already have the hindsight needed to pinpoint the extent of the "American Century" as we knew it. Hard to drag it into the 21st century very far when the parties which built it haven't been with us for so long. One thing nobody can deny from any party today, I've said it before and that's a big thing that makes people talk about the death of the American Age not just outside the borders or overseas but domestically. Every single day Trump comes on TV and hammers home the fact that Obama was the final President to be recognized as the "leader of the free world". And the party has packed the government with minions in lockstep who can only iterate "what's a Free World?" You can't paint a pretty picture here. The American Age either likely paused, perhaps quite a bit before Obama, or definitely right afterward, and whether this was a near-fatal injury or a morbid conclusion, it's been quite a while and it's starting to smell too far decomposed for as many people to ignore as there were.
    - 15d ago

rbanffy 11d ago

The fact the US manages to elect increasingly bad presidents doesn’t really make one feel it can self-heal.