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Nah, politics in shows is great. It's like CGI. It can really make a show pop if it's well thought out, subtle, and feels realistic. People complain about it w

by wisty 18d ago

Nah, politics in shows is great. It's like CGI. It can really make a show pop if it's well thought out, subtle, and feels realistic. People complain about it when it seems to be used as an excuse for a lack other aspects of the show, or it makes everything seem unrealistic because they were more keen on putting it in than actually caring about whether it was realistic or at least made things feel realistic to the viewer. The OG Jurassic Park had lots of politics and lots of CGI. No-one complained about it, because it was well done. If they had a jerkily animated raptor judo flipping a t-rex for no other reason than the director thought it would be cool to include then people would be saying the CGI was awful.

TaLiTr 18d ago
> Nah, politics in shows is great. It's like CGI. It can really make a show pop if it's well thought out, subtle, and feels realistic. Is this a joke? To me both CGI and politics have the same issue which is aging poorly. Nobody thinks The Phantom Menace looks better than A New Hope.
- DonHopkins 18d ago
  Dick aged well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F5bMFSYPvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F5bMFSYPvE
- Arainach 18d ago
  Everything is political. If you think it's not, you're just benefiting from the status quo and blind to it. Even ignoring that history loves to repeat itself, plenty of politics in all forms of media has aged excellently, and plenty of politics that haven't aged well are still insightful into the period of the piece.
  - krige 18d ago
    There's a striking difference between telling and tone deaf preaching and when people complain about politics they always, without fail, mean the latter. The stance of "everything is political" itself is extremely tone deaf.
    - UpsideDownRide 17d ago
      It reads like you are using tone deaf as a substitute for 'somethign I dont like'
      - krige 17d ago
        Surely you can see that one follows the other.
  - norome 17d ago
    everything may have a relevance to politics, but there is a line between art and propaganda.
    - foldr 17d ago
      So is Casablanca art or propaganda? IMO 'art' and 'propaganda' are largely orthogonal concepts. Something can be art but not propaganda, propaganda but not art, neither, or both.
    - ajuc 17d ago
      The line is usually "do I agree with it". That's why old political writing is good - because the politics has been settled by now, most people won't argue 1984 was unfairly criticizing totalitarianism or Starship Troopers are too hard on fascism. But new political writing is outrageous for half the people, because they disagree with it.
  - mrob 17d ago
    >Everything is political. "Everything is political" is the classic motte-and-bailey fallacy beloved by the most obnoxious politics pushers. The fact that it's impossible to remove all traces of politics from fiction does not excuse subjugating art to ideology. When people complain about "political" works they're complaining about works where the author appears to care more about how you vote than the story.
    - moate 17d ago
      I’ve found when people complain about something being “political” 9 out of 10 times they’re complaining that they dislike the author’s politics. The dictionary definition of “politics” (as in, what the word actually means) would support the statement that “everything is political” to be at worst a smidge hyperbolic. No motte, no bailey, no rhetorical fallacy. Thing is, most art has ideology, it’s the weirdo reactionaries that try to pretend otherwise.
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- wisty 16d ago
  A new hope had lots of effect that are basically cgi in impact. Muppets, painted backgrounds, lightsabres, the death star wireframe plans was cgi. The method of making fake pixels isn't the issue, good taste is, and modern cgi is just easy to make slop effects with. Also compare lotr gollum (cgi but with a good actor and good script, with the actor in a motion suit on stage for actors to interact with) to Jar Jar (a tennis ball who actors couldn't interact with). Gollum is arguavly more cgi (both removing the actor and replacing them) but better.

by wisty 18d ago

TaLiTr 18d ago

> Nah, politics in shows is great. It's like CGI. It can really make a show pop if it's well thought out, subtle, and feels realistic. Is this a joke? To me both CGI and politics have the same issue which is aging poorly. Nobody thinks The Phantom Menace looks better than A New Hope.

DonHopkins 18d ago
Dick aged well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F5bMFSYPvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F5bMFSYPvE
Arainach 18d ago
Everything is political. If you think it's not, you're just benefiting from the status quo and blind to it. Even ignoring that history loves to repeat itself, plenty of politics in all forms of media has aged excellently, and plenty of politics that haven't aged well are still insightful into the period of the piece.
- krige 18d ago
  There's a striking difference between telling and tone deaf preaching and when people complain about politics they always, without fail, mean the latter. The stance of "everything is political" itself is extremely tone deaf.
  - UpsideDownRide 17d ago
    It reads like you are using tone deaf as a substitute for 'somethign I dont like'
    - krige 17d ago
      Surely you can see that one follows the other.
- norome 17d ago
  everything may have a relevance to politics, but there is a line between art and propaganda.
  - foldr 17d ago
    So is Casablanca art or propaganda? IMO 'art' and 'propaganda' are largely orthogonal concepts. Something can be art but not propaganda, propaganda but not art, neither, or both.
  - ajuc 17d ago
    The line is usually "do I agree with it". That's why old political writing is good - because the politics has been settled by now, most people won't argue 1984 was unfairly criticizing totalitarianism or Starship Troopers are too hard on fascism. But new political writing is outrageous for half the people, because they disagree with it.
- mrob 17d ago
  >Everything is political. "Everything is political" is the classic motte-and-bailey fallacy beloved by the most obnoxious politics pushers. The fact that it's impossible to remove all traces of politics from fiction does not excuse subjugating art to ideology. When people complain about "political" works they're complaining about works where the author appears to care more about how you vote than the story.
  - moate 17d ago
    I’ve found when people complain about something being “political” 9 out of 10 times they’re complaining that they dislike the author’s politics. The dictionary definition of “politics” (as in, what the word actually means) would support the statement that “everything is political” to be at worst a smidge hyperbolic. No motte, no bailey, no rhetorical fallacy. Thing is, most art has ideology, it’s the weirdo reactionaries that try to pretend otherwise.
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wisty 16d ago
A new hope had lots of effect that are basically cgi in impact. Muppets, painted backgrounds, lightsabres, the death star wireframe plans was cgi. The method of making fake pixels isn't the issue, good taste is, and modern cgi is just easy to make slop effects with. Also compare lotr gollum (cgi but with a good actor and good script, with the actor in a motion suit on stage for actors to interact with) to Jar Jar (a tennis ball who actors couldn't interact with). Gollum is arguavly more cgi (both removing the actor and replacing them) but better.