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Okay, I misunderstood. But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then?

by sva_ 10d ago

MSFT_Edging 10d ago
It sounds like he had already found it the old fashioned way, then the noobs sic'd the LLMs on it, found it, and he told them "hey chill, we knew about this, don't ruin it" and they ruined it. To quote Dr Ian Malcolm: "If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now [bangs on the table]"
- voidnullvalue 10d ago
  That quote logically implies that people should be paralyzed to act on any novel information. There is no such thing as a discovery that occurs in a vacuum without some prior art. "Standing on the shoulders of giants" Then again, its a silly illogical movie
  - MSFT_Edging 9d ago
    I disagree. It's pretty clear the complaint is the lack of responsibility or care for the dangerous science at the center of the movie. The complaint wouldn't be remotely the same if Hammond was taking the power he was playing with seriously. His character is the villain, he ignores every warning and almost kills his grand children. In the case of the PS5 Linux project, the researcher who has worked towards the skills required to find these bugs has a greater respect, moved slower, had time to think. People playing with the enormous power of LLMs finding hypervisor bugs and throwing it in the fire have no respect for the work.
bothers 10d ago
You didn't misunderstand. Misundertanding requires a higher level of engagement than you have demonstrated. > But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then? And you persist.
- sva_ 10d ago
  The vagueposting is off the charts. Whats the point of posting shallow dismissals? If two people independently from you find the same exploit using LLMs, it was clear that it'd leak at some point.

Okay, I misunderstood. But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then?

by sva_ 10d ago

Okay, I misunderstood. But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then?

It sounds like he had already found it the old fashioned way, then the noobs sic'd the LLMs on it, found it, and he told them "hey chill, we knew about this, don't ruin it" and they ruined it. To quote Dr Ian Malcolm: "If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now [bangs on the table]"

voidnullvalue 10d ago
That quote logically implies that people should be paralyzed to act on any novel information. There is no such thing as a discovery that occurs in a vacuum without some prior art. "Standing on the shoulders of giants" Then again, its a silly illogical movie
- MSFT_Edging 9d ago
  I disagree. It's pretty clear the complaint is the lack of responsibility or care for the dangerous science at the center of the movie. The complaint wouldn't be remotely the same if Hammond was taking the power he was playing with seriously. His character is the villain, he ignores every warning and almost kills his grand children. In the case of the PS5 Linux project, the researcher who has worked towards the skills required to find these bugs has a greater respect, moved slower, had time to think. People playing with the enormous power of LLMs finding hypervisor bugs and throwing it in the fire have no respect for the work.

bothers 10d ago

You didn't misunderstand. Misundertanding requires a higher level of engagement than you have demonstrated. > But it wasn't particularly secret if 'noobs' had access then? And you persist.

sva_ 10d ago
The vagueposting is off the charts. Whats the point of posting shallow dismissals? If two people independently from you find the same exploit using LLMs, it was clear that it'd leak at some point.