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None of this would be necessary if they thought they were actually anywhere near AGI...hmm.

utopiah 10d ago
What if their AGI/ASI told them the road to Humanity betterment (because you know that was OpenAI initial mission, just in case we forgot) was through more efficient ads ? /s
- dgellow 10d ago
  Sounds like the plot of a Douglas Adam’s book
andai 10d ago
They'll have to find a smarter species to emulate first. My money's on the octopus!
- tsunamifury 10d ago
  Excellent way to put it. It’s always he guys who steal the technology from the inventors that try to present the technology far beyond what it is. Signed, that guy at google who did some stuff about this and had it taken away.
cyanydeez 10d ago
Turns out, just like the Turing test, its easier to dumb down intelligent expectations than to improve intelligence. AGI makes a lot better argument if everyone is in idiocracy.
- taytus 10d ago
  I wish more people could read and appreciate that couple of sentences.
- palmotea 10d ago
  > AGI makes a lot better argument if everyone is in idiocracy. IIRC, a part of the backstory of Idiocracy is the development of pervasive and good enough AI/automation, which enabled society to get that dumb without immediately collapsing.
herpdyderp 10d ago
Even if it's not necessary, it brings more money.
- grey-area 10d ago
  It’s pocket change compared to the money that could be made with real AGI. This move tells us they don’t think they’re anywhere near AGI, directly contradicting their bombast and puffery on the subject.
theptip 10d ago
Disagree, they need a lot of capital in the next couple years, and the more revenue they have today, the more data centers they can start building. Also investors (particularly non-AGI-pilled) want to see revenue number go up, regardless of AGI. This juices the IPO.
- grey-area 10d ago
  If they need capital in the short term and were anywhere close to AGI, they could easily generate it, by spinning up their incredibly capable and intelligent agents to generate capital through doing useful work. They could also fire entire departments within their own org and replace them with agents, if they had something close to AGI. Instead they are selling a dream to the gullible, and advertisements to go along with that dream.
  - theptip 10d ago
    What you describe is IMO “fully obtained AGI”, what I’m arguing for is consistent with “< 5 years to AGI” which I deem “close”. That said AGI is a fuzzy term and you’ll model the world poorly if you treat it as a binary state.
    - grey-area 10d ago
      Prominent figures in OpenAI have claimed they have already attained AGI. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-latest-model-says-it-marks-the-beginning-of-the-agi-era/ar-AA2bwhMf https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-lat... "OpenAI released its latest model, GPT-6 Astra, on Thursday, with company President Greg Brockman calling it the beginning of the artificial general intelligence (AGI) era." But they're still peddling ads instead of improving the world. How odd.
      - theptip 10d ago
        Sure, they claimed it, that doesn’t affect my world model above.
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therealdrag0 10d ago
The “AGI” bar comments are so tiring.
- grey-area 10d ago
  When OpenAI (including Altman, Brockman etc) stop talking about AGI, we can all stop talking about AGI. I'd happily do so. Currently their actions completely contradict their claims of emergent intelligence.
  - therealdrag0 10d ago
    They can talk about AGI without claiming the current model is AI. They can talk about emergent intelligence without claiming it’s AGI. And businesses can work on multiple things with different goals without being contradictory.
    - grey-area 10d ago
      They have in fact claimed this. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-latest-model-says-it-marks-the-beginning-of-the-agi-era/ar-AA2bwhMf https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-lat...
      - therealdrag0 10d ago
        It’s a silly semantic debate. It’s an argument about what other peoples words mean in their mind and the smug comments about it are incredibly banal.

What if their AGI/ASI told them the road to Humanity betterment (because you know that was OpenAI initial mission, just in case we forgot) was through more efficient ads ? /s

dgellow 10d ago
Sounds like the plot of a Douglas Adam’s book

andai 10d ago

They'll have to find a smarter species to emulate first. My money's on the octopus!

tsunamifury 10d ago
Excellent way to put it. It’s always he guys who steal the technology from the inventors that try to present the technology far beyond what it is. Signed, that guy at google who did some stuff about this and had it taken away.

cyanydeez 10d ago

Turns out, just like the Turing test, its easier to dumb down intelligent expectations than to improve intelligence. AGI makes a lot better argument if everyone is in idiocracy.

taytus 10d ago
I wish more people could read and appreciate that couple of sentences.
palmotea 10d ago
> AGI makes a lot better argument if everyone is in idiocracy. IIRC, a part of the backstory of Idiocracy is the development of pervasive and good enough AI/automation, which enabled society to get that dumb without immediately collapsing.

herpdyderp 10d ago

Even if it's not necessary, it brings more money.

grey-area 10d ago
It’s pocket change compared to the money that could be made with real AGI. This move tells us they don’t think they’re anywhere near AGI, directly contradicting their bombast and puffery on the subject.

theptip 10d ago

Disagree, they need a lot of capital in the next couple years, and the more revenue they have today, the more data centers they can start building. Also investors (particularly non-AGI-pilled) want to see revenue number go up, regardless of AGI. This juices the IPO.

grey-area 10d ago
If they need capital in the short term and were anywhere close to AGI, they could easily generate it, by spinning up their incredibly capable and intelligent agents to generate capital through doing useful work. They could also fire entire departments within their own org and replace them with agents, if they had something close to AGI. Instead they are selling a dream to the gullible, and advertisements to go along with that dream.
- theptip 10d ago
  What you describe is IMO “fully obtained AGI”, what I’m arguing for is consistent with “< 5 years to AGI” which I deem “close”. That said AGI is a fuzzy term and you’ll model the world poorly if you treat it as a binary state.
  - grey-area 10d ago
    Prominent figures in OpenAI have claimed they have already attained AGI. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-latest-model-says-it-marks-the-beginning-of-the-agi-era/ar-AA2bwhMf https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-lat... "OpenAI released its latest model, GPT-6 Astra, on Thursday, with company President Greg Brockman calling it the beginning of the artificial general intelligence (AGI) era." But they're still peddling ads instead of improving the world. How odd.
    - theptip 10d ago
      Sure, they claimed it, that doesn’t affect my world model above.
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therealdrag0 10d ago

The “AGI” bar comments are so tiring.

grey-area 10d ago
When OpenAI (including Altman, Brockman etc) stop talking about AGI, we can all stop talking about AGI. I'd happily do so. Currently their actions completely contradict their claims of emergent intelligence.
- therealdrag0 10d ago
  They can talk about AGI without claiming the current model is AI. They can talk about emergent intelligence without claiming it’s AGI. And businesses can work on multiple things with different goals without being contradictory.
  - grey-area 10d ago
    They have in fact claimed this. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-latest-model-says-it-marks-the-beginning-of-the-agi-era/ar-AA2bwhMf https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/openai-releases-its-lat...
    - therealdrag0 10d ago
      It’s a silly semantic debate. It’s an argument about what other peoples words mean in their mind and the smug comments about it are incredibly banal.