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44% of Canadians support re-opening immigration; I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations.

gizajob 10d ago
So you’re saying 56% of Canadians would vote No?
- bryanlarsen 10d ago
  > I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations. Especially if it was a reciprocal right.
  - fidotron 10d ago
    If it involved being able to leave Canada in perpetuity without an exit tax, which would open the floodgates in a most unintentional way.
theplumber 9d ago
Yeah but you have to wonder why the EU nations themselves are not very happy with the EU immigration. One part of the answer is that some are more open to out of EU immigration than others. A while ago that was Germany who got 1 million plus of refugees and economic immigrants from Syria , Afghanistan and other non European countries. Now it seems that Spain is that willing to take immigrants and of course also provide them citizenship after 3-5 years. So you may end up with a disproportionate amount of immigrants that come from Europe but are not really European in terms of looks and behaviour. I really fail to see how EU will continue unless far right wins all over Europe and a common restrictive immigration policy is agreed.
- gizajob 9d ago
  Give it another ten to twenty years and the far right will be in control all across Europe. Ugly, but the blame for this happening will be entirely at the EU’s door.
  - theplumber 7d ago
    I never understood this blame on EU as an external entity. If far right wins in most member states then EU itself becomes far right. The EU is MPs elected by the EU people directly and council members which are heads of state elected as well in most countries.
    - gizajob 7d ago
      >If far right wins in most member states then EU itself becomes far right. Yeah… well, then the fun really begins doesn’t it. But you know that the EU has this basically leftish centrist ideology of equality mixed in with the neoliberal profit-motive of the soft right. That it’s overt rationalism is politically neutralising rather than centrist, that is to say extreme positions either side do not flourish and are ridiculed as irrational, shouted down, and discarded even if they represent the views of several million people across the bloc. That continued ignorance and attempt at rationalising by a minority of career politicians in the face of an increasingly irrational and polarised base is feeding the right and pushing it into more extreme positions, because at least the right will represent and say what the EU refuses to.

gizajob 10d ago

So you’re saying 56% of Canadians would vote No?

bryanlarsen 10d ago
> I'm willing to bet that a larger number would support immigration from EU nations. Especially if it was a reciprocal right.
- fidotron 10d ago
  If it involved being able to leave Canada in perpetuity without an exit tax, which would open the floodgates in a most unintentional way.

theplumber 9d ago

Yeah but you have to wonder why the EU nations themselves are not very happy with the EU immigration. One part of the answer is that some are more open to out of EU immigration than others. A while ago that was Germany who got 1 million plus of refugees and economic immigrants from Syria , Afghanistan and other non European countries. Now it seems that Spain is that willing to take immigrants and of course also provide them citizenship after 3-5 years. So you may end up with a disproportionate amount of immigrants that come from Europe but are not really European in terms of looks and behaviour. I really fail to see how EU will continue unless far right wins all over Europe and a common restrictive immigration policy is agreed.

gizajob 9d ago
Give it another ten to twenty years and the far right will be in control all across Europe. Ugly, but the blame for this happening will be entirely at the EU’s door.
- theplumber 7d ago
  I never understood this blame on EU as an external entity. If far right wins in most member states then EU itself becomes far right. The EU is MPs elected by the EU people directly and council members which are heads of state elected as well in most countries.
  - gizajob 7d ago
    >If far right wins in most member states then EU itself becomes far right. Yeah… well, then the fun really begins doesn’t it. But you know that the EU has this basically leftish centrist ideology of equality mixed in with the neoliberal profit-motive of the soft right. That it’s overt rationalism is politically neutralising rather than centrist, that is to say extreme positions either side do not flourish and are ridiculed as irrational, shouted down, and discarded even if they represent the views of several million people across the bloc. That continued ignorance and attempt at rationalising by a minority of career politicians in the face of an increasingly irrational and polarised base is feeding the right and pushing it into more extreme positions, because at least the right will represent and say what the EU refuses to.