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> eg unwalkable architecture would force a lot of driving That's purely a utilitarian take. You don't believe that design language could ever have an effect on

by Nursie 10d ago

> eg unwalkable architecture would force a lot of driving That's purely a utilitarian take. You don't believe that design language could ever have an effect on mood? You said yourself you find neoclassical and gothic styles induce despair. What do you think would be the long term effect of living somewhere that induced despair in you? > At least I am sure the movement wasn't designed to be anti human in any way. A system is what it does, not what it was designed to do. The thinking behind it was often utopian, there was high-minded talk of "streets in the sky" and the idea of giving everyone their own front door to the outside, as if they had their own private house on a raised terrace. The results were not in line with the expectations.

hardbass 10d ago
Lack of drivability isn't just a mechanical thing, it shapes how a locality lives and moves, the kind of community that can form or not and also mood eg whether distances cause a feeling of isolation or one of not feeling cooped up and so on. I understand what you are trying to get at, its just that I simply am unable to understand the mood of despair as associated with brutalism. Maybe others feel otherwise.
- Nursie 9d ago
  > I understand what you are trying to get at, its just that I simply am unable to understand the mood of despair as associated with brutalism We've established that your view is the minority position and that people in general prefer more ornamented architecture (that's what the article is about). We've established that you understand the premise of feelings of despair caused by architecture. If you can't put two and two together to understand that other people feel that way when confronted with brutalist architecture, and that being in/around it might affect their lives, it feels like either a lack of imagination or simple obstinacy. As I said earlier, I doubt you've had to live near many of these architectural tumours, or you might have more insight.
  - hardbass 9d ago
    I said I can on paper understand why some people might find brutalism depressive. I just don't get it at all on a feelings basis.

by Nursie 10d ago

hardbass 10d ago

Lack of drivability isn't just a mechanical thing, it shapes how a locality lives and moves, the kind of community that can form or not and also mood eg whether distances cause a feeling of isolation or one of not feeling cooped up and so on. I understand what you are trying to get at, its just that I simply am unable to understand the mood of despair as associated with brutalism. Maybe others feel otherwise.

Nursie 9d ago
> I understand what you are trying to get at, its just that I simply am unable to understand the mood of despair as associated with brutalism We've established that your view is the minority position and that people in general prefer more ornamented architecture (that's what the article is about). We've established that you understand the premise of feelings of despair caused by architecture. If you can't put two and two together to understand that other people feel that way when confronted with brutalist architecture, and that being in/around it might affect their lives, it feels like either a lack of imagination or simple obstinacy. As I said earlier, I doubt you've had to live near many of these architectural tumours, or you might have more insight.
- hardbass 9d ago
  I said I can on paper understand why some people might find brutalism depressive. I just don't get it at all on a feelings basis.