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The LNG won't come from Canada either. Trudeau notoriously said "there's no business case" for it, but the truth is they can't agree with how to actually get en

The LNG won't come from Canada either. Trudeau notoriously said "there's no business case" for it, but the truth is they can't agree with how to actually get enough of it to the east coast to make a difference, and that's what blocks it. (In fairness the route does go through some very unique environments). Canadian provinces have a far bigger ability to screw things up for the whole than countries do inside the EU, and people remotely familiar with the EU will understand what a strong statement that is.

jonapro 17d ago
If by screw things up you mean retain some level of governance then yes... Canada is a confederation, not a federation.
- post-it 17d ago
  Canada is definitionally a federation.
post-it 17d ago
Where there's a will, there's a way. There hasn't been a will until now.
- fidotron 17d ago
  The only "way" involves greasing the palms of every special interest group in the way until they have successfully accounted for the whole potential revenue of the intended enterprise, and that's what blocked everything repeatedly. I'm in Quebec and very familiar with the exact territory this has applied to wrt getting resources out on the east coast, and unless someone was willing to rule by decree to bypass all those entrenched groups it's not happening, and we all know why such decrees would not happen as well.
  - post-it 17d ago
    They'll ship it out of Churchill. The only special interest groups are Indigenous and they rarely successfully hold up projects that are actually important.
llm_nerd 16d ago
> Trudeau notoriously said "there's no business case" for it LNG was at all time low prices at the time, and Canada has an integrated NG pipeline system with the US, and the US has enormous amounts of export capacity as they just repurposed import terminals into export terminals, whereas for Canada it would be a greenfield project. Trudeau and his government caused a lot of harm for Canada, and a lost decade to platitudes and feel good save-the-world nonsense, but his statement was absolutely correct, and it was only "notorious" among partisans who see wrong in everything the "other team" does or says. I mean, much of that natural gas that the US exports to Europe came from Canada, through that integrated "we're friends and allies" network. There wasn't a case for it, because the US wasn't a criminal idiocracy at the time and we had an integrated system. I mean, now we're talking about just building our own pipeline system because it has come to that, but at the time Trudeau was absolutely correct. You don't build a tens of billions of dollars terminal just in case a country goes rogue.

jonapro 17d ago

If by screw things up you mean retain some level of governance then yes... Canada is a confederation, not a federation.

post-it 17d ago
Canada is definitionally a federation.

post-it 17d ago

Where there's a will, there's a way. There hasn't been a will until now.

fidotron 17d ago
The only "way" involves greasing the palms of every special interest group in the way until they have successfully accounted for the whole potential revenue of the intended enterprise, and that's what blocked everything repeatedly. I'm in Quebec and very familiar with the exact territory this has applied to wrt getting resources out on the east coast, and unless someone was willing to rule by decree to bypass all those entrenched groups it's not happening, and we all know why such decrees would not happen as well.
- post-it 17d ago
  They'll ship it out of Churchill. The only special interest groups are Indigenous and they rarely successfully hold up projects that are actually important.

llm_nerd 16d ago

> Trudeau notoriously said "there's no business case" for it LNG was at all time low prices at the time, and Canada has an integrated NG pipeline system with the US, and the US has enormous amounts of export capacity as they just repurposed import terminals into export terminals, whereas for Canada it would be a greenfield project. Trudeau and his government caused a lot of harm for Canada, and a lost decade to platitudes and feel good save-the-world nonsense, but his statement was absolutely correct, and it was only "notorious" among partisans who see wrong in everything the "other team" does or says. I mean, much of that natural gas that the US exports to Europe came from Canada, through that integrated "we're friends and allies" network. There wasn't a case for it, because the US wasn't a criminal idiocracy at the time and we had an integrated system. I mean, now we're talking about just building our own pipeline system because it has come to that, but at the time Trudeau was absolutely correct. You don't build a tens of billions of dollars terminal just in case a country goes rogue.