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archive.is or archive.today? Why being shy in the era of stealing AI?

by sam_lowry_ 10d ago

LoganDark 10d ago
archive.today uses clients to perform DDoS, I would not recommend using their site.
- schnebbau 10d ago
  Let's all just believe this baseless assertion shall we. You have to include more than that, this isn't common knowledge.
  - LoganDark 10d ago
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance#Why_are_we_doing_this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...> for those without a search engine.
    - DonHopkins 10d ago
      Or rather for those like schnebbau pretending they don't have access to a search engine.
  - x______________ 10d ago
    Sure it is! This has been going on for years and global attention was gained at the beginning of this one.[0] Wikipedia deprecates Archive.today, starts removing archive links (arstechnica.com) 616 points by nobody9999 6 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 368 comments 0 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006
  - jimmydorry 10d ago
    It's been posted multiple times of the last few months as they were removed from wikipedia and cloudflare. [1] [2] [3] 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46843805 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46843805 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255
  - gpvos 10d ago
    This is well-known. If you are very sure it's not happening anymore, please provide a reputable source.
  - DonHopkins 10d ago
    You can't make other people forget things by declaring yourself ignorant of the facts.
    - throw10920 10d ago
      I literally had never heard of this before. I don't check HN every single day. It's extremely reasonable to ask for a link, very easy to include one when making a claim, and attacking someone for asking for evidence is extremely anti-intellectual independent of the level of effort required. (n.b. that doesn't excuse the hostile way that they asked for proof - "Let's all just believe this baseless assertion shall we")
      - DonHopkins 10d ago
        [dead]
        LoganDark 10d ago
        They were pointing out the lack of evidence on my part. I agree it was rude but I don't think it's helpful to start calling it misinformation with no evidence. They had a valid point that not everybody Just Knows already, hence why I did reply with a link. I don't think it's constructive to jab much more than I did in that reply.
        throw10920 9d ago
        And thank you for sending that link, because it was extremely useful and detail-packed.
mitxela 10d ago
In some parts of the internet you can't mention a pirate site (or left wing stuff, anything sexual, or Palestine) without being banned. HN isn't one of them, but people have learned to be overly cautious.

archive.is or archive.today? Why being shy in the era of stealing AI?

LoganDark 10d ago

archive.today uses clients to perform DDoS, I would not recommend using their site.

schnebbau 10d ago
Let's all just believe this baseless assertion shall we. You have to include more than that, this isn't common knowledge.
- LoganDark 10d ago
  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance#Why_are_we_doing_this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...> for those without a search engine.
  - DonHopkins 10d ago
    Or rather for those like schnebbau pretending they don't have access to a search engine.
- x______________ 10d ago
  Sure it is! This has been going on for years and global attention was gained at the beginning of this one.[0] Wikipedia deprecates Archive.today, starts removing archive links (arstechnica.com) 616 points by nobody9999 6 months ago | hide | past | favorite | 368 comments 0 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006
- jimmydorry 10d ago
  It's been posted multiple times of the last few months as they were removed from wikipedia and cloudflare. [1] [2] [3] 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46843805 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46843805 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47092006 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47474255
- gpvos 10d ago
  This is well-known. If you are very sure it's not happening anymore, please provide a reputable source.
- DonHopkins 10d ago
  You can't make other people forget things by declaring yourself ignorant of the facts.
  - throw10920 10d ago
    I literally had never heard of this before. I don't check HN every single day. It's extremely reasonable to ask for a link, very easy to include one when making a claim, and attacking someone for asking for evidence is extremely anti-intellectual independent of the level of effort required. (n.b. that doesn't excuse the hostile way that they asked for proof - "Let's all just believe this baseless assertion shall we")
    - DonHopkins 10d ago
      [dead]
      - LoganDark 10d ago
        They were pointing out the lack of evidence on my part. I agree it was rude but I don't think it's helpful to start calling it misinformation with no evidence. They had a valid point that not everybody Just Knows already, hence why I did reply with a link. I don't think it's constructive to jab much more than I did in that reply.
        throw10920 9d ago
        And thank you for sending that link, because it was extremely useful and detail-packed.

mitxela 10d ago

In some parts of the internet you can't mention a pirate site (or left wing stuff, anything sexual, or Palestine) without being banned. HN isn't one of them, but people have learned to be overly cautious.