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Is this satire, it's hard to tell these days on the Interweb? Or are you simply thick as a brick? Very confusing.

Gangway0829 10d ago
Can you elaborate on why you think the OP is incorrect? The hit piece on the Ypstilanti data center is quite an embarrassment for any honest news reporter.
- windexh8er 10d ago
  Because it's not that cut and dry. There are complicated politics involved and it's obvious the comment is putting their own spin on it.
  - Gangway0829 9d ago
    There's complex politics around hyperscaler data centers, and I'm sympathetic to the complaints against (though in full disclosure I am biased towards building anything, having seen my country held back for years by people opposed to building anything). But the UMich supercomputing center isn't a hyperscaler data center, and it's the height of disingenuous, cynical and dishonest politics to claim that it is. It's an academic research supercomputer. And FYI the protestors have been harassing UMich professors and their families, so sorry. I'm not going to be polite and give them any benefit of doubt. I know the people they're harassing personally and professionally and they're wonderfully kind and intelligent. If the supercomputing project dies because of this, yellow journalists like 404 media have scientific blood on their hands.
    - windexh8er 6d ago
      > But the UMich supercomputing center isn't a hyperscaler data center, and it's the height of disingenuous, cynical and dishonest politics to claim that it is. It may not be a hyperscaler data center (I actually don't see that as the argument anyway) but it is a data center and that's part of the issue in today's landscape, irrespective of if you pick a particular side. > It's an academic research supercomputer. And FYI the protestors have been harassing UMich professors and their families, so sorry. Oh, I get it. I worked for a defense contractor for a number of years and every Thursday we had a small group of protestors that would harass us if we walked across the street for lunch. I engaged a few times to ask them if any of them had ever taken a commercial flight as the building they were protesting in front of built most all of the ATC systems the US operated at the time. But, I'm still going to argue: it's not that simple. While I'm in support of the US continuing R&D through use of new HPC facilities the use cases are not cut and dry. Nuclear weapons are a zero sum game and while I think many would fully support continuued research into improving nuclear weapons systems and scenarios I don't think it's all that productive to continue to invest heavily in expanded nuclear weapons development. Especially having now seen too many administrations being handled by old men who don't have much to lose if they destroy the world. But, to state "yellow journalists like 404 media have scientific blood on their hands" sounds fucking deranged to me.

Can you elaborate on why you think the OP is incorrect? The hit piece on the Ypstilanti data center is quite an embarrassment for any honest news reporter.

windexh8er 10d ago
Because it's not that cut and dry. There are complicated politics involved and it's obvious the comment is putting their own spin on it.
- Gangway0829 9d ago
  There's complex politics around hyperscaler data centers, and I'm sympathetic to the complaints against (though in full disclosure I am biased towards building anything, having seen my country held back for years by people opposed to building anything). But the UMich supercomputing center isn't a hyperscaler data center, and it's the height of disingenuous, cynical and dishonest politics to claim that it is. It's an academic research supercomputer. And FYI the protestors have been harassing UMich professors and their families, so sorry. I'm not going to be polite and give them any benefit of doubt. I know the people they're harassing personally and professionally and they're wonderfully kind and intelligent. If the supercomputing project dies because of this, yellow journalists like 404 media have scientific blood on their hands.
  - windexh8er 6d ago
    > But the UMich supercomputing center isn't a hyperscaler data center, and it's the height of disingenuous, cynical and dishonest politics to claim that it is. It may not be a hyperscaler data center (I actually don't see that as the argument anyway) but it is a data center and that's part of the issue in today's landscape, irrespective of if you pick a particular side. > It's an academic research supercomputer. And FYI the protestors have been harassing UMich professors and their families, so sorry. Oh, I get it. I worked for a defense contractor for a number of years and every Thursday we had a small group of protestors that would harass us if we walked across the street for lunch. I engaged a few times to ask them if any of them had ever taken a commercial flight as the building they were protesting in front of built most all of the ATC systems the US operated at the time. But, I'm still going to argue: it's not that simple. While I'm in support of the US continuing R&D through use of new HPC facilities the use cases are not cut and dry. Nuclear weapons are a zero sum game and while I think many would fully support continuued research into improving nuclear weapons systems and scenarios I don't think it's all that productive to continue to invest heavily in expanded nuclear weapons development. Especially having now seen too many administrations being handled by old men who don't have much to lose if they destroy the world. But, to state "yellow journalists like 404 media have scientific blood on their hands" sounds fucking deranged to me.