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At some point, you will realize two things. First, you're being petty and just fighting fire with fire. Second, most of this research is fairly trivial. What
by sublinear 18d ago
At some point, you will realize two things.
First, you're being petty and just fighting fire with fire. Second, most of this research is fairly trivial.
What you're instead encouraging is a race to the bottom. You're not going to kill off the companies you hate by withholding information. You don't even have that power anyway because by its very nature, security research is not secret. You're really just encouraging pessimistic groupthink and bad faith. This is why businesses can't be more open about their flaws. It's not that they're stupid and incompetent, but that the pitchforks come out. These are the seeds of dystopia.
They would have eventually figured it out, but as an unfortunate incident with an outsized effect. As much as you wish it to be true, even the worst of these incidents will not kill their business. As much as you hate these businesses, their financial momentum will eventually cause the public to depend on them more. There's more at stake here than anyone's personal gain. It's naive to think otherwise.
You're just manifesting broken windows and ignoring litter thinking you're fighting the man. This is straight up ghetto punk ass behavior wearing a white collar.
- cindyllm 18d ago[dead]
- r_lee 18d ago> You're just manifesting broken windows and ignoring litter thinking you're fighting the man. This is straight up ghetto punk ass behavior wearing a white collar. are you replying to the right person? I'm not hating on any business or trying to "kill" any business. I'm saying serve yourself, not them. if you have say, a 0 day on your hands, do what serves you best. is that "ghetto punk ass behavior"? what are you on about?
- sublinear 18d ago> I'm saying serve yourself, not them. if you have say, a 0 day on your hands, do what serves you best. is that "ghetto punk ass behavior"? Yes. If you have say, managed to find an overlooked passage into an ostensibly high security building, "doing what serves you best" such as selling the information to some thugs, is in fact that kind of behavior.
- r_lee 17d agoI think that's a bit different. for real security bugs, like, you can literally sell them to brokers who sell them to governments. would selling stuff to the CIA be ghetto? morally, it depends. but after seeing so many posts of e.g. Google cheapskating on bug reports, it really makes no sense to me to participate in such a broken system. this case however is quite different as it was a B2B encounter and during vendor vetting like to me it just seems like a fair deal, if Google wants their bugs patched (which they can definitely afford to do) they'd just pay properly for serious bugs and so on, and everybody would be happy. it's not some kind of thing where they can't do anything about. maybe you can understand the angle I'm coming from?
- DonHopkins 18d agoMaking Nazi salutes, and defending people who do, is ghetto punk ass behavior.