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Is there any solution? Can sites, apis or interfaces require AI agents to identify themselves as non-humans?

by N_A_T_E 18d ago

bobthepanda 18d ago
But how would you enforce that, particularly against bad actors in countries that care less about enforcing laws and norms? Spam calls are still a massive scourge even with Caller ID, SHAKE/STIR, and not for lack of trying.
shimman 18d ago
Yeah, the solution is to do things in person and realize that the internet should be treated as an additive, not a replacement, to in-person interactions.
AlienRobot 18d ago
The solution is probably legal, not technological. We need a legal solution to automated spam, AI or not. It does tangible damage to communication systems when 99/100 of your e-mails doesn't come from a human being.
- armchairhacker 18d ago
  What about spam from other countries? Residential botnets?
  - AlienRobot 18d ago
    That's a problem for whoever gets in charge of solving spam to solve. Not me.
- jMyles 18d ago
  If humanity's "solution" to AI is to go to the government of all institutions - the very thing we have hoped for the internet to overcome, for a century before its invention - then we'll truly have fallen into a poetic trap.
  - AlienRobot 18d ago
    I've never hoped for that. The opposite of the government owning the internet is cloudflare owning the internet.
    - jMyles 18d ago
      The opposite of one large unaccountable entity owning the internet is not a different one doing so. To suppose that this next phase of human evolution can be "owned" at all is a bit of a stretch. These behemoths can threaten us with violence, and carry out those threats, but they can't stop radio waves or the use of language as expression. They can't remove knowledge form the universe or change change the laws of mathematics.
armchairhacker 18d ago
Micropayments
- almost_usual 18d ago
  Or proof of work to at least deter the increase in transfer volume. Neither are environmentally friendly.
rtkwe 18d ago
As soon as there's any discriminatory action taken based on that identification there's the incentive to lie and not use it and it becomes the same cat and mouse spam/antispam detection rat race sites already face.

Is there any solution? Can sites, apis or interfaces require AI agents to identify themselves as non-humans?

by N_A_T_E 18d ago

Is there any solution? Can sites, apis or interfaces require AI agents to identify themselves as non-humans?

But how would you enforce that, particularly against bad actors in countries that care less about enforcing laws and norms? Spam calls are still a massive scourge even with Caller ID, SHAKE/STIR, and not for lack of trying.

shimman 18d ago

Yeah, the solution is to do things in person and realize that the internet should be treated as an additive, not a replacement, to in-person interactions.

AlienRobot 18d ago

The solution is probably legal, not technological. We need a legal solution to automated spam, AI or not. It does tangible damage to communication systems when 99/100 of your e-mails doesn't come from a human being.

armchairhacker 18d ago
What about spam from other countries? Residential botnets?
- AlienRobot 18d ago
  That's a problem for whoever gets in charge of solving spam to solve. Not me.
jMyles 18d ago
If humanity's "solution" to AI is to go to the government of all institutions - the very thing we have hoped for the internet to overcome, for a century before its invention - then we'll truly have fallen into a poetic trap.
- AlienRobot 18d ago
  I've never hoped for that. The opposite of the government owning the internet is cloudflare owning the internet.
  - jMyles 18d ago
    The opposite of one large unaccountable entity owning the internet is not a different one doing so. To suppose that this next phase of human evolution can be "owned" at all is a bit of a stretch. These behemoths can threaten us with violence, and carry out those threats, but they can't stop radio waves or the use of language as expression. They can't remove knowledge form the universe or change change the laws of mathematics.

armchairhacker 18d ago

Micropayments

almost_usual 18d ago
Or proof of work to at least deter the increase in transfer volume. Neither are environmentally friendly.

rtkwe 18d ago

As soon as there's any discriminatory action taken based on that identification there's the incentive to lie and not use it and it becomes the same cat and mouse spam/antispam detection rat race sites already face.