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Don’t be That Guy please. This tired talking point gets walked out in every privacy discussion. Both things can be (and are) bad at once, but just because one p
by iamnothere 23d ago
Don’t be That Guy please. This tired talking point gets walked out in every privacy discussion. Both things can be (and are) bad at once, but just because one problem exists doesn’t mean that others aren’t worth solving.
In any case this article is about the whole spectrum of mass surveillance, not one specific company.
- Rover222 23d ago[flagged]
- iamnothere 23d agoWay to hand wave away all the negative effects of mass surveillance. Car theft is bad, but sleepwalking into dictatorship is worse. There’s also plenty of options for solving car theft that aren’t dystopian.
- Rover222 23d agoYour phone in your pocket is a much more powerful surveillance device. That's my point, it's just pure hivemind to freak out about traffic cameras. I find it pretty dystopian that CVS has to lock up cheap products because society has failed to punish criminals.
- lowbloodsugar 23d agoCVS has to lock up products because society has failed to reward hard working people with a living wage. Claiming a society exists while at the same time claiming "fuck you, i got mine", isn't so much a society as "every person for themselves", which, ironically is what you're actually complaining about.
- Rover222 23d agoOkay comrade. It's society's fault when people start committing petty thefts even though unemployment is low.
- lowbloodsugar 23d agoYou could read up on what "unemployment" actually means. Labor force participation is down on the year. 4.4 million people are underemployed: meaning they want a full time job but can't get one - they still show up as "employed". The "employment" rate ignores those who have been unable to find work for more than four weeks, conveniently. Then there's employment by region. There may be good jobs on the other side of the country, but no means to get there, or no qualifications. etc etc. You are quite good at making nice little sound-bites that don't hold up to scrutiny. Are you part of the propaganda or just an ignoramus who parrots it?
- iamnothere 23d agoI don’t carry a phone most of the time, it stays at home, and I don’t have a Google/Apple duopoly device either. I don’t drive a modern car with built in cell tracking. I don’t use “smart devices” in my home. I’m opposed to mass surveillance in all forms.
- Rover222 23d ago* slowly backs away *
- iamnothere 23d agoLol. I walk the walk so I can talk the talk. I find it amusing. Your complaint seems to be that people aren’t really against mass surveillance because they accept it in other areas (even though dumbphone sales are going crazy, showing that many people do care). Then you’re presented with someone who’s done the difficult work to have reasonable privacy, and your reaction is to pretend that the privacy guy is “cringe” or “scary” or something. It’s almost like you don’t believe your own arguments, and you’re actually just hostile towards the concept of privacy in general. You’re making arguments in bad faith because you actually want a panopticon.
- Zigurd 23d agoYou are wildly optimistic about police priorities and effectiveness, with or without flock cameras, when it comes to property crime.