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Zionist isn't an ethnicity, similar to how Nazi isn't an ethnicity.

ceejayoz 17d ago
> similar to how Nazi isn't an ethnicity The people super-focused on "Aryan heritage" didn't have an ethnic bent? Huh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories
- heyitsmedotjayb 17d ago
  Aryan would be a distinctly different category than Nazi. Similar to how Jew is a distinctly different category than Zionist. Please try to keep up.
  - ceejayoz 17d ago
    What would you say the average ethnicity of a Nazi typically was?
    - heyitsmedotjayb 17d ago
      Some would have been Aryan, but you'd be naive to assume Nazism has exclusively white Aryan followers. And anyway, It doesn't matter. Ethnicity and political beliefs are categorically different things. You're engaging in an antisemitic trope by conflating Israeli and Jewish values.
      - ceejayoz 17d ago
        Oh, come on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews > Jews, or the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group and nation, originating in the Israelites of ancient Israel and Judah. If the US forcibly kicked Jews out of NYC, it'd be ethnic cleansing. No one would contest that description.
        heyitsmedotjayb 17d ago
        Was it ethnic cleansing the way we persecuted and prosecuted Nazis post WW2? Despite them mostly making up and representing the Aryan ethnic group? Zionism is a political position distinctly different to Judaism. Let me ask you a question - Can we ascribe blame to all Jews if the state of Israel were to do something bad?
        ceejayoz 17d ago
        > Was it ethnic cleansing the way we persecuted and prosecuted Nazis post WW2? No, just as it wouldn't be ethnic cleansing to evict one Jewish person. We convicted a relatively tiny handful of Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Georg_Kiesinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Georg_Kiesinger eventually served as chancellor of West Germany! > Can we ascribe blame to all Jews if the state of Israel were to do something bad? Certainly not. But kicking them all out of NYC would still be ethnic cleansing!
    - _bernd 17d ago
      You could also be "volksdeutsch". Like slavik people from former German territory or at least German influenced. They could be proper Nazis but with for instance polish background. Don't ask me how it actually works out but you asked...
- croon 16d ago
  The topic is fraught with misunderstandings/talking over each other, but I think the point of GP is that you can adopt the ideology, but not adopt an ethnicity, or vice versa. Someone can be against zionism, but not against all jews, agreed? Thus, the two categories must be distinct, regardless how much or little overlap they have. Also for specificity, the nazis co-opted "aryan" much like they co-opted the swastika. Neither actually represent what they claim, even if both are now tainted by their use of it. TL;DR: "Nazis lie", which I guess is a truism.

> similar to how Nazi isn't an ethnicity The people super-focused on "Aryan heritage" didn't have an ethnic bent? Huh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_racial_theories

heyitsmedotjayb 17d ago
Aryan would be a distinctly different category than Nazi. Similar to how Jew is a distinctly different category than Zionist. Please try to keep up.
- ceejayoz 17d ago
  What would you say the average ethnicity of a Nazi typically was?
  - heyitsmedotjayb 17d ago
    Some would have been Aryan, but you'd be naive to assume Nazism has exclusively white Aryan followers. And anyway, It doesn't matter. Ethnicity and political beliefs are categorically different things. You're engaging in an antisemitic trope by conflating Israeli and Jewish values.
    - ceejayoz 17d ago
      Oh, come on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews > Jews, or the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group and nation, originating in the Israelites of ancient Israel and Judah. If the US forcibly kicked Jews out of NYC, it'd be ethnic cleansing. No one would contest that description.
      - heyitsmedotjayb 17d ago
        Was it ethnic cleansing the way we persecuted and prosecuted Nazis post WW2? Despite them mostly making up and representing the Aryan ethnic group? Zionism is a political position distinctly different to Judaism. Let me ask you a question - Can we ascribe blame to all Jews if the state of Israel were to do something bad?
        ceejayoz 17d ago
        > Was it ethnic cleansing the way we persecuted and prosecuted Nazis post WW2? No, just as it wouldn't be ethnic cleansing to evict one Jewish person. We convicted a relatively tiny handful of Nazis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Georg_Kiesinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Georg_Kiesinger eventually served as chancellor of West Germany! > Can we ascribe blame to all Jews if the state of Israel were to do something bad? Certainly not. But kicking them all out of NYC would still be ethnic cleansing!
  - _bernd 17d ago
    You could also be "volksdeutsch". Like slavik people from former German territory or at least German influenced. They could be proper Nazis but with for instance polish background. Don't ask me how it actually works out but you asked...
croon 16d ago
The topic is fraught with misunderstandings/talking over each other, but I think the point of GP is that you can adopt the ideology, but not adopt an ethnicity, or vice versa. Someone can be against zionism, but not against all jews, agreed? Thus, the two categories must be distinct, regardless how much or little overlap they have. Also for specificity, the nazis co-opted "aryan" much like they co-opted the swastika. Neither actually represent what they claim, even if both are now tainted by their use of it. TL;DR: "Nazis lie", which I guess is a truism.