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> Zero karma Yep, that is the high price one must pay for dissenting opinions in a discourse where nuance and discussion no longer exist.

by alexejb 19d ago

fer 19d ago
It's the price of regurgitating the most unsophisticated fifth columnist narratives.
- scrollaway 18d ago
  The price is far too small. Active propaganda on behalf of a rogue state is an act of war and should be treated as such, IMO.
  - stillcompiling 18d ago
    Do you know Russia? Did you consider the last 40 years of history re NATO-enlargement?
    - darkwi11ow 18d ago
      Did nato enlargement caused war in Moldova, war in Georgia, war in Ichkeriya, support for serbian war criminals in ex-Yugoslavia, war in Georgia again, war in Syria, war in Ukraine? I wonder which of these countries are in nato
    - scrollaway 18d ago
      Yes, I know Russia. I got to know it even better lately: It's waging war on my continent right now, and murdering my fellow Europeans and their families. I've seen its bombs fall on schools, malls, churches and libraries. I've seen videos of its conscripts having fun, bragging about stealing, raping and murdering civilians. If you're on the side of history that North Korea supports, you're on the wrong side of it.
    - fer 14d ago
      Did you consider that NATO enlargement is just the argument to align campist left with Russia, based on a misinterpreted statement, "not one inch", debunked by Gorbachev himself? What makes that true, and not the propaganda about western degeneracy? What about the propaganda about Ukraine being ruled by Nazis? What about the propaganda about Ukraine being ruled by Jews? What about Russia being the defenders of the white race and traditional values? What about the propaganda about Ukraine just being a confused Russians? What about the propaganda about restoring the historical lands of Russia? What about the propaganda about Ukraine preparing to attack Russia? What about the propaganda about the supposed oppression of Russian speakers in Ukraine? And ultimately, are you familiar with the term "firehose of falsehood"? Because unless you are really familiar with the subject and not just sprinkled by superficial propaganda, you might just believe the bits you agree with and ignore the rest, falling into the confirmation bias that Russian propaganda relies so much upon.
  - alexejb 18d ago
    I get it. Like a great statesman once said: "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
- alexejb 18d ago
  The tropes about Putin in my sarcastic post above are all from western media or were said by high ranking Western officials at some point in time. The cloned Putin / Putin doubles thing was claimed by Budanov himself as far as I can remember. And Kiev never lies, does it?
  - fer 14d ago
    Nobody can trust Budanov, who deployed drug-enhanced super soldier monsters against the peaceful Russian patriots. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5469617 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5469617

> Zero karma Yep, that is the high price one must pay for dissenting opinions in a discourse where nuance and discussion no longer exist.

by alexejb 19d ago

> Zero karma Yep, that is the high price one must pay for dissenting opinions in a discourse where nuance and discussion no longer exist.

fer 19d ago

It's the price of regurgitating the most unsophisticated fifth columnist narratives.

scrollaway 18d ago
The price is far too small. Active propaganda on behalf of a rogue state is an act of war and should be treated as such, IMO.
- stillcompiling 18d ago
  Do you know Russia? Did you consider the last 40 years of history re NATO-enlargement?
  - darkwi11ow 18d ago
    Did nato enlargement caused war in Moldova, war in Georgia, war in Ichkeriya, support for serbian war criminals in ex-Yugoslavia, war in Georgia again, war in Syria, war in Ukraine? I wonder which of these countries are in nato
  - scrollaway 18d ago
    Yes, I know Russia. I got to know it even better lately: It's waging war on my continent right now, and murdering my fellow Europeans and their families. I've seen its bombs fall on schools, malls, churches and libraries. I've seen videos of its conscripts having fun, bragging about stealing, raping and murdering civilians. If you're on the side of history that North Korea supports, you're on the wrong side of it.
  - fer 14d ago
    Did you consider that NATO enlargement is just the argument to align campist left with Russia, based on a misinterpreted statement, "not one inch", debunked by Gorbachev himself? What makes that true, and not the propaganda about western degeneracy? What about the propaganda about Ukraine being ruled by Nazis? What about the propaganda about Ukraine being ruled by Jews? What about Russia being the defenders of the white race and traditional values? What about the propaganda about Ukraine just being a confused Russians? What about the propaganda about restoring the historical lands of Russia? What about the propaganda about Ukraine preparing to attack Russia? What about the propaganda about the supposed oppression of Russian speakers in Ukraine? And ultimately, are you familiar with the term "firehose of falsehood"? Because unless you are really familiar with the subject and not just sprinkled by superficial propaganda, you might just believe the bits you agree with and ignore the rest, falling into the confirmation bias that Russian propaganda relies so much upon.
- alexejb 18d ago
  I get it. Like a great statesman once said: "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
alexejb 18d ago
The tropes about Putin in my sarcastic post above are all from western media or were said by high ranking Western officials at some point in time. The cloned Putin / Putin doubles thing was claimed by Budanov himself as far as I can remember. And Kiev never lies, does it?
- fer 14d ago
  Nobody can trust Budanov, who deployed drug-enhanced super soldier monsters against the peaceful Russian patriots. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5469617 https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5469617