One thing that people almost 100% of the time miss in the Java vs C# generics discussion, is that .NET was actually being designed with generics support, but th

One thing that people almost 100% of the time miss in the Java vs C# generics discussion, is that .NET was actually being designed with generics support, but they weren't ready on time for the 2001 launch, and there were some internal fighting of they should even be delivered, thus the work was only finalised on time for .NET 2.0. This is documented by one of the authors, Don Syme of F#'s fame, on his blog posts and the F# HOPL paper. Meanwhile Java went through Pizza and other alternative proposals until landing were it did. However from my point of view both ecosystems could have been much better on version 1.0, had they taken the learnings from Cedar, Modula-3, Eiffel, Sather and Oberon, among other predecessors, regarding AOT compilation and value types, in GC enabled languages.