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> The resistance is ongoing and most of West Papua I'm unsure if that's an accurate description. I would say it is more accurate to say that West Papua is bein

> The resistance is ongoing and most of West Papua I'm unsure if that's an accurate description. I would say it is more accurate to say that West Papua is being genocided. Indigenous West Papuans are being genocided by settlers from Java. More than 500,000 West Papuans have been killed according to estimates by indigenous groups. It is hard to verify since Javanese settlers (Prabowo is Javanese) control the army and no media or journalists, and not even Indonesians are allowed to enter West Papua. This year, thousands of excavators were shipped on barges into West Papua. Western corporations like Freeport McMoran are complicit. It is horrific to see videos that have come out. There is one which I saw, I still get nightmares. It is an indigenous Papuan man being skinned alive in a drum of water. The name that was spread was Defianus Kogoya. It is so sad... West Papua was one of the most beautiful places on this planet with inland seawater lakes that had non-venomous jellyfish in Misool. Cave systems with handprints said to pre-date the Toba erruption. All of this being destroyed.

jesterson 20d ago
> I would say it is more accurate to say that West Papua is being genocided I can just add it has been going on for a while in recent history and noone talks about it. Gives you opportunity to think how deeply flawed our media is.
- cwmoore 20d ago
  Save the orangutans? or sell more Oreos? Hmmm
- Henchman21 20d ago
  “The media” are simply a mouthpiece for the ultra-wealthy. Basically their propaganda arm.
  - culi 19d ago
    I obviously think this is an oversimplification but I've also slowly come to believe this is basically accurate. Reading the history of the Guatemala coup that the US did and the role the NYTimes played in it is very convincing evidence for this view
- mitxela 19d ago
  Our media mostly talks about things we have something to do with.
senordevnyc 20d ago
A few years ago I got to accompany a small group of friends to an isolated tiny village on the southern coast of SW Papua, and I swam with the jellyfish in one of the inland saltwater lakes you’re describing! That trip still remains the coolest place I’ve ever been.
baxtr 20d ago
Wow. Really? This sounds terrible. I am shocked it’s not reported about in Western media.
- talon8635 20d ago
  There are lots of atrocities all over the world that western media just ignores flat out. But they do hyper focus on one or two specific cases for their political agenda. Hell, then love self flagellating about how they themselves (the west) are the worst people on earth, which is also a political agenda and is only convincing if you ignore pretty much all of human history and large parts of the current day reality elsewhere in the world.
  - senordevnyc 20d ago
    It's so ironic that your first paragraph is an example of your second.
    - talon8635 18d ago
      Both paragraphs are criticisms of western media, I’m not sure I follow your point
- Windchaser 20d ago
  > I am shocked it’s not reported about in Western media. Average american already has their hands full (slash "their brain full") with local matters - family, friends, community. It's hard enough to get attention to spare to turn to national matters, much less stuff that happens on the other side of the world in non-allied poor countries.
- culi 20d ago
  western media has a habit of not reporting on atrocities they are complicit in. When the genocide in Indonesia happened (where as many as 2 million were killed) they presented it as liberation from communist sympathizers. Union workers, and people of certain ethnicities or religions that were seen as sympathetic to communism were all put to death. Goodyear Tire company, just 2 decades after the Holocaust, was using labor from death camps for its rubber manufacturing. US corporations in general had a lot to gain from the genocide
senordevnyc 20d ago
Defianus Kogoya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Gome_torture_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Gome_torture_scandal
motionlessveloc 20d ago
> and no media or journalists, and not even Indonesians are allowed to enter West Papua. Uh, no? There's an active tourism industry particularly around the Baliem Valley and the Raja Ampat islands. You can fly into any of the larger cities without a permit, and while travel in the interior does require permits (surat jalan), these are usually readily granted. This is not to dismiss the scale of state violence against the OPM and any civilians caught in the net, but Papua is hardly a hermetically sealed off North Korea.
- papua_is_being_ 15d ago
  > Papua is hardly a hermetically sealed off North Korea. We're talking about West Papua. Not Papua New Guinea. The Western half of the island is occupied by the Prabowo regime. The Prabowo regime enforces strict limitations on international journalists, human rights monitors, and foreign researchers trying to enter the region. Indonesian authorities have consistently restricted or delayed official access to West Papua for high-level United Nations representatives, including requests from the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. All of this is done with full knowledge by collaborating companies like Blackrock (owner of Freeport McMoran) that massive human rights abuses, we're talking about at a level greater than that in the middle east is actively being committed there.

jesterson 20d ago

> I would say it is more accurate to say that West Papua is being genocided I can just add it has been going on for a while in recent history and noone talks about it. Gives you opportunity to think how deeply flawed our media is.

cwmoore 20d ago
Save the orangutans? or sell more Oreos? Hmmm
Henchman21 20d ago
“The media” are simply a mouthpiece for the ultra-wealthy. Basically their propaganda arm.
- culi 19d ago
  I obviously think this is an oversimplification but I've also slowly come to believe this is basically accurate. Reading the history of the Guatemala coup that the US did and the role the NYTimes played in it is very convincing evidence for this view
mitxela 19d ago
Our media mostly talks about things we have something to do with.

senordevnyc 20d ago

A few years ago I got to accompany a small group of friends to an isolated tiny village on the southern coast of SW Papua, and I swam with the jellyfish in one of the inland saltwater lakes you’re describing! That trip still remains the coolest place I’ve ever been.

baxtr 20d ago

Wow. Really? This sounds terrible. I am shocked it’s not reported about in Western media.

talon8635 20d ago
There are lots of atrocities all over the world that western media just ignores flat out. But they do hyper focus on one or two specific cases for their political agenda. Hell, then love self flagellating about how they themselves (the west) are the worst people on earth, which is also a political agenda and is only convincing if you ignore pretty much all of human history and large parts of the current day reality elsewhere in the world.
- senordevnyc 20d ago
  It's so ironic that your first paragraph is an example of your second.
  - talon8635 18d ago
    Both paragraphs are criticisms of western media, I’m not sure I follow your point
Windchaser 20d ago
> I am shocked it’s not reported about in Western media. Average american already has their hands full (slash "their brain full") with local matters - family, friends, community. It's hard enough to get attention to spare to turn to national matters, much less stuff that happens on the other side of the world in non-allied poor countries.
culi 20d ago
western media has a habit of not reporting on atrocities they are complicit in. When the genocide in Indonesia happened (where as many as 2 million were killed) they presented it as liberation from communist sympathizers. Union workers, and people of certain ethnicities or religions that were seen as sympathetic to communism were all put to death. Goodyear Tire company, just 2 decades after the Holocaust, was using labor from death camps for its rubber manufacturing. US corporations in general had a lot to gain from the genocide

senordevnyc 20d ago

Defianus Kogoya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Gome_torture_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Gome_torture_scandal

motionlessveloc 20d ago

> and no media or journalists, and not even Indonesians are allowed to enter West Papua. Uh, no? There's an active tourism industry particularly around the Baliem Valley and the Raja Ampat islands. You can fly into any of the larger cities without a permit, and while travel in the interior does require permits (surat jalan), these are usually readily granted. This is not to dismiss the scale of state violence against the OPM and any civilians caught in the net, but Papua is hardly a hermetically sealed off North Korea.

papua_is_being_ 15d ago
> Papua is hardly a hermetically sealed off North Korea. We're talking about West Papua. Not Papua New Guinea. The Western half of the island is occupied by the Prabowo regime. The Prabowo regime enforces strict limitations on international journalists, human rights monitors, and foreign researchers trying to enter the region. Indonesian authorities have consistently restricted or delayed official access to West Papua for high-level United Nations representatives, including requests from the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. All of this is done with full knowledge by collaborating companies like Blackrock (owner of Freeport McMoran) that massive human rights abuses, we're talking about at a level greater than that in the middle east is actively being committed there.