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Russia is involved in many acts of sabotage in Europe over past 2 or 3 years, so this is a very natural first guess for us, European citizens. They also started

Russia is involved in many acts of sabotage in Europe over past 2 or 3 years, so this is a very natural first guess for us, European citizens. They also started increasing their activity recently.

ImHereToVote 20d ago
Like what? Any confirmed acts?
- huurtehoog 20d ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_sabotage_operations_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_sabotage_operations_in...
- frereubu 20d ago
  These acts are subterfuge by their nature so you're not going to get Putin coming on TV and saying "lol it was me". "There is no proof at this stage to link the flying bomb directly to Russia, which denies any role. But as well as the means and the motive, Moscow does have form. The BBC has seen details of the investigation into a plot in 2024 in which Russian-linked proxies in Poland and Lithuania not only handled drones and explosives but also delivered them to Germany." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgdmrxxkdxo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgdmrxxkdxo
IhateAI 20d ago
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shakna 20d ago
Today is also Prinsjesdag. So pissed off Dutch is more likely. As it has been, for the last three years running with highways getting blocked on this day...
- markvdb 20d ago
  One, the other, or a mix of both! If I were a foreign agent wanting to sow chaos, I'd look for the easy to press buttons. Encouraging pissed-off Dutch citizens would be an obvious part of the plan.
retinaros 20d ago
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- junon 20d ago
  Do you live in Germany?
  - retinaros 19d ago
    do u live in russia?
    - junon 19d ago
      No, Germany.
crazybonkersai 20d ago
Except that none of cases were proven. For one, recent attempts to blow up power lines in Germany were done by a German individual. Or remember how Russia was accused for blowing up Nord Stream. It never made any sense, but still European politicians and Western media fiercely pushed this narrative. Get some critical media literacy and stop listening to NAFO trolls.
- cbg0 20d ago
  Where are you getting the "correct" narrative from?
  - crazybonkersai 20d ago
    By reading multiple sources by different parties and thinking for yourself. Truth is the first casualty of war.
    - piva00 20d ago
      That's the usual trope used as an escape for the question: where are your sources? Provide them or stop being so defensive about it, being defensive just shows you got not substance to your claim. Show, don't tell, if you can't show then you might have to do some more thinking by yourself to figure out why you ended up that way.
    - cbg0 20d ago
      And are these multiple sources 50% biased towards one side and 50% biased towards the other side? If so, how can you tell? And are you doing an average of what "the truth" is at the end?
      - crazybonkersai 20d ago
        You wait for 20 or more years for documents become unclassified and historians to do their job.
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Russia is involved in many acts of sabotage in Europe over past 2 or 3 years, so this is a very natural first guess for us, European citizens. They also started increasing their activity recently.

ImHereToVote 20d ago

Like what? Any confirmed acts?

huurtehoog 20d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_sabotage_operations_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_sabotage_operations_in...
frereubu 20d ago
These acts are subterfuge by their nature so you're not going to get Putin coming on TV and saying "lol it was me". "There is no proof at this stage to link the flying bomb directly to Russia, which denies any role. But as well as the means and the motive, Moscow does have form. The BBC has seen details of the investigation into a plot in 2024 in which Russian-linked proxies in Poland and Lithuania not only handled drones and explosives but also delivered them to Germany." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgdmrxxkdxo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgdmrxxkdxo

IhateAI 20d ago

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shakna 20d ago

Today is also Prinsjesdag. So pissed off Dutch is more likely. As it has been, for the last three years running with highways getting blocked on this day...

markvdb 20d ago
One, the other, or a mix of both! If I were a foreign agent wanting to sow chaos, I'd look for the easy to press buttons. Encouraging pissed-off Dutch citizens would be an obvious part of the plan.

retinaros 20d ago

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junon 20d ago
Do you live in Germany?
- retinaros 19d ago
  do u live in russia?
  - junon 19d ago
    No, Germany.

crazybonkersai 20d ago

Except that none of cases were proven. For one, recent attempts to blow up power lines in Germany were done by a German individual. Or remember how Russia was accused for blowing up Nord Stream. It never made any sense, but still European politicians and Western media fiercely pushed this narrative. Get some critical media literacy and stop listening to NAFO trolls.

cbg0 20d ago
Where are you getting the "correct" narrative from?
- crazybonkersai 20d ago
  By reading multiple sources by different parties and thinking for yourself. Truth is the first casualty of war.
  - piva00 20d ago
    That's the usual trope used as an escape for the question: where are your sources? Provide them or stop being so defensive about it, being defensive just shows you got not substance to your claim. Show, don't tell, if you can't show then you might have to do some more thinking by yourself to figure out why you ended up that way.
  - cbg0 20d ago
    And are these multiple sources 50% biased towards one side and 50% biased towards the other side? If so, how can you tell? And are you doing an average of what "the truth" is at the end?
    - crazybonkersai 20d ago
      You wait for 20 or more years for documents become unclassified and historians to do their job.
      - 20d ago