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I think ubuntu wants to kill desktop linux. No other explaination of why they push firefox inside snap, which then proceeds to constantly crash, when firefox us

by LtWorf 11d ago

I think ubuntu wants to kill desktop linux. No other explaination of why they push firefox inside snap, which then proceeds to constantly crash, when firefox used normally works completely fine. I haven't tried chromium but I presume it's the same issue. At work I'm forced to use ubuntu and I placed snapd on hold and added mozilla's own apt repository to my configuration to get firefox. At least in the past few months the dbus crashes (been using systemd on debian for several years just fine, this never happened) that render the system unusable and un-rebootable have stopped… I guess when my company will decide to upgrade to 26.04 there will be more instability and problems.

zelphirkalt 11d ago
Firefox installed as a snap feels sluggish to me. When I install a Ubuntu system, the first thing I do is to uninstall any snap and install the apt versions of things, possibly adding official PPAs or using Guix to install software.
- mrheosuper 11d ago
  why bother with ubuntu at all ? If you want ubuntu but without snap out of the box, Zorin is 1 option. Or if you also hate gnome, linux mint.
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  - zelphirkalt 11d ago
    Indeed. Thought not in all cases I can decide what OS to use. An employer might prescribe which one to use. And any distro will be better than being forced to use Windows.
IlikeMadison 11d ago
sandboxing a browser makes total sense. my firefox and chromium running as snaps never crashed a single time for as long as I can remember, and I use both every day, at the same time.
- mhluongo 11d ago
  Both have performance issues when installed as snaps across my 24.04 and 26.04 machines.
- LtWorf 11d ago
  I sandbox with firejail. There is no reason to use snaps. Also in firejail I never experienced a crash. > never crashed a single time I'm very happy for you. How does that help the people who do encounter issues?
- dirtikiti 9d ago
  Browsers literally sandbox their own tabs. And the entire Linux user space is already sandboxed by design. This is why you type sudo. If os and software developers actually designed with the Linux filesystem in mind, there would be no need for Flatpaks and Snaps and AppImages. There's a whole directory for user applications and their libraries. /usr
fn-mote 11d ago
> I haven't tried chromium but I presume it's the same issue No issues with snap Chromium.
wafflemaker 10d ago
Thanks to snap I've learned of Librewolf. Couldn't install non snap Firefox, so just got ff fork instead. Also, after a system update all PPAs (including Librewolf) got turned off, so I went like a year without updating the browser. Fun stuff. Also, snap is now partially fixed. It used to take all your drive space with old versions of snaps. You needed a special script to remove them automatically. Now there's no more than 2(?) old versions of snaps anytime. Progress! But not to complain too much, Ubuntu still kind of works. I moved my laptop to Fedora, and almost did it with the desktop, but learned of Librewolf. Should probably remove the fedora root and home at some point. Don't remember any issues that were not caused by me (other than snaps). Compared to Windows with it's auto updates when you need PC for sth critical, ads everywhere and this annoying way of installing software not from terminal and having to update it manually separate from system updates. Ubuntu did a lot for Linux, maybe more it's community than canonical, but it will always have a place in my heart.

by LtWorf 11d ago

zelphirkalt 11d ago

Firefox installed as a snap feels sluggish to me. When I install a Ubuntu system, the first thing I do is to uninstall any snap and install the apt versions of things, possibly adding official PPAs or using Guix to install software.

mrheosuper 11d ago
why bother with ubuntu at all ? If you want ubuntu but without snap out of the box, Zorin is 1 option. Or if you also hate gnome, linux mint.
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- zelphirkalt 11d ago
  Indeed. Thought not in all cases I can decide what OS to use. An employer might prescribe which one to use. And any distro will be better than being forced to use Windows.

IlikeMadison 11d ago

sandboxing a browser makes total sense. my firefox and chromium running as snaps never crashed a single time for as long as I can remember, and I use both every day, at the same time.

mhluongo 11d ago
Both have performance issues when installed as snaps across my 24.04 and 26.04 machines.
LtWorf 11d ago
I sandbox with firejail. There is no reason to use snaps. Also in firejail I never experienced a crash. > never crashed a single time I'm very happy for you. How does that help the people who do encounter issues?
dirtikiti 9d ago
Browsers literally sandbox their own tabs. And the entire Linux user space is already sandboxed by design. This is why you type sudo. If os and software developers actually designed with the Linux filesystem in mind, there would be no need for Flatpaks and Snaps and AppImages. There's a whole directory for user applications and their libraries. /usr

fn-mote 11d ago

> I haven't tried chromium but I presume it's the same issue No issues with snap Chromium.

wafflemaker 10d ago

Thanks to snap I've learned of Librewolf. Couldn't install non snap Firefox, so just got ff fork instead. Also, after a system update all PPAs (including Librewolf) got turned off, so I went like a year without updating the browser. Fun stuff. Also, snap is now partially fixed. It used to take all your drive space with old versions of snaps. You needed a special script to remove them automatically. Now there's no more than 2(?) old versions of snaps anytime. Progress! But not to complain too much, Ubuntu still kind of works. I moved my laptop to Fedora, and almost did it with the desktop, but learned of Librewolf. Should probably remove the fedora root and home at some point. Don't remember any issues that were not caused by me (other than snaps). Compared to Windows with it's auto updates when you need PC for sth critical, ads everywhere and this annoying way of installing software not from terminal and having to update it manually separate from system updates. Ubuntu did a lot for Linux, maybe more it's community than canonical, but it will always have a place in my heart.