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Yes, please. Linux distros is better with macos approach. And making appimage first class makes a lot of sense.

ChocolateGod 11d ago
AppImages do not work anywhere close to how macOSs .apps do, and even if they did the approach isn't correct for how things work on Linux.
petre 11d ago
I'll avoid it at this point anyway. The Rust coreutils is another reason for that. Snap, monetizing updates, telemetry, enough is enough.
- voakbasda 11d ago
  Yup. After almost 20 years, I have had enough of their crap. All of my new machines are getting Debian. Can’t wait until I am free of Ubuntu.
tancop 11d ago
Appimages are bloated and unreliable. You can't guarantee that your app will run on any machine because it might depend on different system libraries. Flatpak uses shared stable runtimes that are the same everywhere and don't take up space more than once. It also comes with a native update system and sandboxing. Snap is the same thing but worse.
- ChocolateGod 11d ago
  > Snap is the same thing but worse IIRC Snap relies heavily on AppArmor for sandboxing, so on anything non-Ubuntu the sandboxing is non-existent.
- suby 11d ago
  My problem with flatpak is that the underlying runtime has a limited lifespan. I used the Sublime Text 3 flatpak for many years, and it was deprecated a few months ago because the runtime it was using was no longer supported. This caused people to update the flatpak to Sublime 4, which is good, but I only have a license for 3. In the end I just downloaded the binary for 3 from their website, and it still just worked. Flatpak still doesn't save you from bitrot.
- novafunc 11d ago
  There's a project called "anylinux appimages" that aims to make the most compatible appimages. They also use DwarFS for faster opening and smaller file sizes. See: https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/ https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/
- Samueru 9d ago
  > Flatpak uses shared stable runtimes that are the same everywhere and don't take up space more than once. https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/disk-usage-vs-flatpak.html https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/disk-usage... Also flatpak runtimes are NOT stable, they do nonsense like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1pwgdwb/gpu_screen_recorder_flatpak_with_intel_i956/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1pwgdwb/gpu...

AppImages do not work anywhere close to how macOSs .apps do, and even if they did the approach isn't correct for how things work on Linux.

petre 11d ago

I'll avoid it at this point anyway. The Rust coreutils is another reason for that. Snap, monetizing updates, telemetry, enough is enough.

voakbasda 11d ago
Yup. After almost 20 years, I have had enough of their crap. All of my new machines are getting Debian. Can’t wait until I am free of Ubuntu.

tancop 11d ago

Appimages are bloated and unreliable. You can't guarantee that your app will run on any machine because it might depend on different system libraries. Flatpak uses shared stable runtimes that are the same everywhere and don't take up space more than once. It also comes with a native update system and sandboxing. Snap is the same thing but worse.

ChocolateGod 11d ago
> Snap is the same thing but worse IIRC Snap relies heavily on AppArmor for sandboxing, so on anything non-Ubuntu the sandboxing is non-existent.
suby 11d ago
My problem with flatpak is that the underlying runtime has a limited lifespan. I used the Sublime Text 3 flatpak for many years, and it was deprecated a few months ago because the runtime it was using was no longer supported. This caused people to update the flatpak to Sublime 4, which is good, but I only have a license for 3. In the end I just downloaded the binary for 3 from their website, and it still just worked. Flatpak still doesn't save you from bitrot.
novafunc 11d ago
There's a project called "anylinux appimages" that aims to make the most compatible appimages. They also use DwarFS for faster opening and smaller file sizes. See: https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/ https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/
Samueru 9d ago
> Flatpak uses shared stable runtimes that are the same everywhere and don't take up space more than once. https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/disk-usage-vs-flatpak.html https://pkgforge-dev.github.io/Anylinux-AppImages/disk-usage... Also flatpak runtimes are NOT stable, they do nonsense like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1pwgdwb/gpu_screen_recorder_flatpak_with_intel_i956/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/1pwgdwb/gpu...