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He can slow down his own company kind of like how Zelenskyy can just declare peace in Ukraine. It works a lot better if you can get the other sides to agree.

BLKNSLVR 17d ago
"I'm not going to let someone else take the credit for ending human civilisation!"
- nextaccountic 17d ago
  Or like Von Neumann's (paraphrased) "you need to confess a crime to take credit from it"
plastic041 17d ago
Give that Dario is one of the frontiers of LLM development, literally started the LLM race, and have been dominating the market, so he'd be Russia, if we have to use the war analogy. He took every benefits of being frontiers and now he's kicking the ladder.
- qlte 15d ago
  Exactly, despite the rosy image Anthropic carefully cultivated early on as the "responsible" alternative who would keep OpenAI honest, they pushed the frontier further, faster and harder than any other company. If we want to make this about game theory, they forced OpenAI to participate in an ever escalating arms race. Who knows, maybe like Dario says, being on top as the good guy makes this justified? But the fact remains no one went as far as Anthropic did with Mythos so it's insulting to people's intelligence to now pretend like they've been reluctantly pushed forward by OpenAI despite their better judgement.
Refreeze5224 17d ago
So in this example, the equivalent of Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives and the very existence of their country for Dario is... losing lots of money? What a ridiculous analogy to make.
- neom 17d ago
  If you played out the hypothetical that they're earnest and don't care about the money, then what?
xhevahir 17d ago
It's frustrating to see smart people failing to recognize a prisoner's dilemma when they see one.
- Kakashi4 17d ago
  What is the prisoner's dilemma here? I am a dumb person
  - rphv 16d ago
    If you choose to slow down (cooperate) and the other side doesn't, you lose more than if you didn't try to slow down. In order to succeed (gain mutual advantage) both parties have to choose to cooperate without knowing beforehand what the other party will do.

BLKNSLVR 17d ago

"I'm not going to let someone else take the credit for ending human civilisation!"

nextaccountic 17d ago
Or like Von Neumann's (paraphrased) "you need to confess a crime to take credit from it"

plastic041 17d ago

Give that Dario is one of the frontiers of LLM development, literally started the LLM race, and have been dominating the market, so he'd be Russia, if we have to use the war analogy. He took every benefits of being frontiers and now he's kicking the ladder.

qlte 15d ago
Exactly, despite the rosy image Anthropic carefully cultivated early on as the "responsible" alternative who would keep OpenAI honest, they pushed the frontier further, faster and harder than any other company. If we want to make this about game theory, they forced OpenAI to participate in an ever escalating arms race. Who knows, maybe like Dario says, being on top as the good guy makes this justified? But the fact remains no one went as far as Anthropic did with Mythos so it's insulting to people's intelligence to now pretend like they've been reluctantly pushed forward by OpenAI despite their better judgement.

Refreeze5224 17d ago

So in this example, the equivalent of Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives and the very existence of their country for Dario is... losing lots of money? What a ridiculous analogy to make.

neom 17d ago
If you played out the hypothetical that they're earnest and don't care about the money, then what?

xhevahir 17d ago

It's frustrating to see smart people failing to recognize a prisoner's dilemma when they see one.

Kakashi4 17d ago
What is the prisoner's dilemma here? I am a dumb person
- rphv 16d ago
  If you choose to slow down (cooperate) and the other side doesn't, you lose more than if you didn't try to slow down. In order to succeed (gain mutual advantage) both parties have to choose to cooperate without knowing beforehand what the other party will do.