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It's really frustrating that Dario acts as if he's not the CEO of one of the world's most advanced AI companies. He can just slow down his own company. Of cours
by plastic041 18d ago
It's really frustrating that Dario acts as if he's not the CEO of one of the world's most advanced AI companies. He can just slow down his own company. Of course he doesn't want that. He wants to slow down other companies, but not his own.
Also, regarding the incidents: Neither he nor Sam Altman takes responsibility for those incidents. You can't say, "Wow, someone's agent is gone rogue; let's slow down" when you are literally the person in charge. CEOs and researchers will only slow down when they realize that they will face consequences if their LLMs misbehave.
- mitthrowaway2 18d agoHe can slow down his own company kind of like how Zelenskyy can just declare peace in Ukraine. It works a lot better if you can get the other sides to agree.
- BLKNSLVR 18d ago"I'm not going to let someone else take the credit for ending human civilisation!"
- nextaccountic 18d agoOr like Von Neumann's (paraphrased) "you need to confess a crime to take credit from it"
- plastic041 18d agoGive that Dario is one of the frontiers of LLM development, literally started the LLM race, and have been dominating the market, so he'd be Russia, if we have to use the war analogy. He took every benefits of being frontiers and now he's kicking the ladder.
- qlte 15d agoExactly, despite the rosy image Anthropic carefully cultivated early on as the "responsible" alternative who would keep OpenAI honest, they pushed the frontier further, faster and harder than any other company. If we want to make this about game theory, they forced OpenAI to participate in an ever escalating arms race. Who knows, maybe like Dario says, being on top as the good guy makes this justified? But the fact remains no one went as far as Anthropic did with Mythos so it's insulting to people's intelligence to now pretend like they've been reluctantly pushed forward by OpenAI despite their better judgement.
- Refreeze5224 18d agoSo in this example, the equivalent of Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives and the very existence of their country for Dario is... losing lots of money? What a ridiculous analogy to make.
- neom 18d agoIf you played out the hypothetical that they're earnest and don't care about the money, then what?
- xhevahir 18d agoIt's frustrating to see smart people failing to recognize a prisoner's dilemma when they see one.
- Kakashi4 17d agoWhat is the prisoner's dilemma here? I am a dumb person
- rphv 16d agoIf you choose to slow down (cooperate) and the other side doesn't, you lose more than if you didn't try to slow down. In order to succeed (gain mutual advantage) both parties have to choose to cooperate without knowing beforehand what the other party will do.
- chinathrow 18d ago> Neither he nor Sam Altman takes responsibility for those incidents. He doesn't need to take responsibility - as CEO, he has that implicitly. And we know it.
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- exfalso 17d agoTo be fair, this is a classic prisoner's dilemma. If the others don't play along then there is no benefit at all, it's all negative for Anthropic.
- kybernetikos 17d agoA generic agreement to slow down is prisoners dilemma stuff (and maybe necessary too), but just taking a super hard line stance on enforcing laws on ai companies and going after them for negligence and breaches for eye watering amounts of money would have the dual beneficial effects of slowing them down and making them more careful without needing complex game theory.