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Piggybacking on this - can HuggingFace sue OAI? Do they have legal ground to do that?

by prometheus1992 19d ago

putlake 19d ago
Anyone can sue anybody. HF for sure was in a strong position after what happened. OAI gave them a lot of GPT credits under a sort of partnership agreement to mollify them.
Digory 19d ago
I'd put my money on "yes," here. Of course, OAI can pay them off. But you know it had to happen to more than HuggingFace, and so somebody's going to try it.
willy_k 19d ago
Yes. And/or press charges, IIRC. They did threaten to, at one point, with some conditions they wanted met (past that, I am not in the loop).
bjt 19d ago
They absolutely could. There's a decent claim for OAI being reckless or at least negligent. The limiting thing, in my mind, is the need to show harm. How much did OAI's recklessness hurt HuggingFace? There's some dev hours devoted to the cleanup but it's not like it devastated their business. Their legal team is probably a lot more focused on the Nvidia acquisition instead.
- dylan604 19d ago
  Would there also not be some reputational damages that could be compensated for as well? These are the types of cases usually ending in a settlement for non-disclosed amounts with NDAs attached.
  - phoghed 19d ago
    > Would there also not be some reputational damages In that case OpenAI should sue since they came out of this with a worse reputation.
- embedding-shape 19d ago
  I feel like it's the government that has to sue OpenAI for reckless endangerment of human life, or something similar. I don't believe the current models could "take over the world" even if humans tried to help them, but both OpenAI and Anthropic themselves talk publicly about how dangerous they believe these models to be. Then if that's so, they should be held responsible as if the models were that dangerous, but who's supposed to put that in motion? The only entity I can think of is the government.
rplnt 19d ago
I don't see why they should sue them if they broke laws. Reporting it should be enough.

Piggybacking on this - can HuggingFace sue OAI? Do they have legal ground to do that?

Anyone can sue anybody. HF for sure was in a strong position after what happened. OAI gave them a lot of GPT credits under a sort of partnership agreement to mollify them.

Digory 19d ago

I'd put my money on "yes," here. Of course, OAI can pay them off. But you know it had to happen to more than HuggingFace, and so somebody's going to try it.

willy_k 19d ago

Yes. And/or press charges, IIRC. They did threaten to, at one point, with some conditions they wanted met (past that, I am not in the loop).

bjt 19d ago

They absolutely could. There's a decent claim for OAI being reckless or at least negligent. The limiting thing, in my mind, is the need to show harm. How much did OAI's recklessness hurt HuggingFace? There's some dev hours devoted to the cleanup but it's not like it devastated their business. Their legal team is probably a lot more focused on the Nvidia acquisition instead.

dylan604 19d ago
Would there also not be some reputational damages that could be compensated for as well? These are the types of cases usually ending in a settlement for non-disclosed amounts with NDAs attached.
- phoghed 19d ago
  > Would there also not be some reputational damages In that case OpenAI should sue since they came out of this with a worse reputation.
embedding-shape 19d ago
I feel like it's the government that has to sue OpenAI for reckless endangerment of human life, or something similar. I don't believe the current models could "take over the world" even if humans tried to help them, but both OpenAI and Anthropic themselves talk publicly about how dangerous they believe these models to be. Then if that's so, they should be held responsible as if the models were that dangerous, but who's supposed to put that in motion? The only entity I can think of is the government.

rplnt 19d ago

I don't see why they should sue them if they broke laws. Reporting it should be enough.