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I'll bite. The problem is when you lose the visa and no grace period rule is in place, you are now an illegal immigrant instantly. The category now up for grab

by daxuak 19d ago

I'll bite. The problem is when you lose the visa and no grace period rule is in place, you are now an illegal immigrant instantly. The category now up for grab for ICE's concentration camp, at least theoretically, including all of your dependents because their visa is voided as well. How practical is it to get a plane ticket for today/tomorrow the moment you are laid off? Do people who get laid off also gets a teleportation machine?

mcmcmc 19d ago
As others have pointed out, this grace period did not exist before 2017, and prior administrations have managed to do just fine without building teleportation machines or conducting Trump style raids. If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. But there has to be a line somewhere. Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered. Two months is crazy though.
- daxuak 19d ago
  > If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. That likely was the assumption and source of trust, i.e. enforcement's goal is to uphold order and has a sense of logic when being implemented. The current upset has a context of the breach of such trust. In other words, the enforcement now is sometimes aligned with Trump's domestic politics maneuver rather than immigration law enforcement, it is increasingly hard to not interpret new rules between the lines.
  - mcmcmc 19d ago
    It’s still not a new rule though, it’s the old rule, and not even that old. The new part is the violence from masked ICE officers and they’re not even bothering to check visas half the time. It’s a different problem. A two month grace period was always overly generous.
- rayiner 19d ago
  > Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered I believe that’s already the law. https://www.uscis.gov/archive/options-for-nonimmigrant-workers-following-termination-of-employment-0 https://www.uscis.gov/archive/options-for-nonimmigrant-worke... “The maximum 60-day grace period starts the day after termination of employment, which is typically determined based on the last day for which a salary or wage is paid.”
  - mcmcmc 19d ago
    That’s different from what I said. I think it’s pretty uncommon to receive your last paycheck on your last day. It’s usually the end of the next pay period
    - electrum 19d ago
      California employees who are discharged must be paid all wages due at the time of termination. (Labor Code § 201)

by daxuak 19d ago

mcmcmc 19d ago

As others have pointed out, this grace period did not exist before 2017, and prior administrations have managed to do just fine without building teleportation machines or conducting Trump style raids. If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. But there has to be a line somewhere. Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered. Two months is crazy though.

daxuak 19d ago
> If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. That likely was the assumption and source of trust, i.e. enforcement's goal is to uphold order and has a sense of logic when being implemented. The current upset has a context of the breach of such trust. In other words, the enforcement now is sometimes aligned with Trump's domestic politics maneuver rather than immigration law enforcement, it is increasingly hard to not interpret new rules between the lines.
- mcmcmc 19d ago
  It’s still not a new rule though, it’s the old rule, and not even that old. The new part is the violence from masked ICE officers and they’re not even bothering to check visas half the time. It’s a different problem. A two month grace period was always overly generous.
rayiner 19d ago
> Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered I believe that’s already the law. https://www.uscis.gov/archive/options-for-nonimmigrant-workers-following-termination-of-employment-0 https://www.uscis.gov/archive/options-for-nonimmigrant-worke... “The maximum 60-day grace period starts the day after termination of employment, which is typically determined based on the last day for which a salary or wage is paid.”
- mcmcmc 19d ago
  That’s different from what I said. I think it’s pretty uncommon to receive your last paycheck on your last day. It’s usually the end of the next pay period
  - electrum 19d ago
    California employees who are discharged must be paid all wages due at the time of termination. (Labor Code § 201)